Frank, I support your determination to follow a vegan lifestyle.

Keep up the good work.   It helps keep down the price of steak .  .  .  <G>

Dan

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:38 AM, frank theriault
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM, paul stenquist <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree. Cheese is several steps removed from the animal. And cows, goats 
>> and water buffalo are more than willing to give up their milk. And what 
>> about cheese made from human breast milk? Can vegans consume that? If not, 
>> can a vegan child breast feed? So many questions, so few answers. But I know 
>> that while I could probably give up meat if someone held a gun to my head, I 
>> would never sacrifice cheese. Pull the trigger, and put me out of my misery.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++
>
> I really didn't mean to get into this discussion, but I'll answer a
> few of your points:
>
> I can't speak for all vegans, but for me it's an issue of consent and
> exploitation.  We don't ask cows, goats, etc. if they're okay with us
> taking their milk, and if they're answering, we can't tell.  We just
> take it. whether they like it or not.
>
> "Willing to give up their milk"?  What makes you say that?  We keep
> them in a permanent state of artificial pregnancy so they never "dry
> up".  That can't be much fun.
>
> Human mothers who breast feed consent to the procedure.  If they
> don't, they buy formula.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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