Collin - I took the last one and fiddled with it a bit... I use ELements (5.0) too....

HEre is what I did
ann adjusted "lightened shadows " 18%, decreased over all brightness AFTER that by _12%.. then upped the contrast by +26 slightly cropped righthand side to get that dark top right hand corner out.

I'm sending you my edit off list as an attachment --
It might be too light -- my monitor isn't realy calibrated and my eyes have a hard time with darks l but easy enough to just darken it over all...

HOpe this helps

( actually prefer the color photo for this kind of scene, tho)

ann

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

First experiment: color image. Ignore the dust spot in the center left. yuk.

I'm using Elements 7.0.

The original color image
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500.jpg


First attempt: not enough tonal range
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500bw.jpg
Method: Adjust Color, Hue/Saturation, Edit: Reds, hue @ -180, slider @ 88/118


Second attempt:  better tonal range and contrast
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500bw2.jpg
Method: (as above, plus) @ b&w conversion, Red +8, Contrast + 37


#1 looks like most of what I see out there -- it's the tones of what your eye 
catches.  It's useful, but there's something about learning to see in b&w that 
is different, and I guess it would apply to *how* one treats a neg just the same as 
to how one treats a digital image.  The second accomplishes the goal better -- 
giving emphasis to the center object in terms of both tonality and contrast.

But there is still much more work to be done.

Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://kerygmainstitute.org "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" -- Jim Elliott









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