I think I agree with you. That scares me.
;-) Seriously, I've wondered if they hold things like G20 because they ~want~ the violence, they ~want~ the brutal crackdowns, they want to send out a message to the general population that you have to toe the line or you'll get stomped like these hapless protesters. I know it sounds very "conspiracy theory" but I can't think of any other reason they'd keep doing this. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: "P. J. Alling" <[email protected]> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days Sadly the G20 seems to serve no purpose except to attract trouble, and give our civil masters an excuse to spend borrowed taxpayer money. Nothing of substance has ever come out of one of these conferences that couldn't have been achieved through normal diplomatic channels. Hell most civilized countries and quite a few that barely qualify have expensive diplomatic corps that could easily accomplish as little as a G20 conference as part of their regular operations. On 11/26/2011 10:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: > You're right Steve, it is very complicated. > > Toronto's G20 last year was a debacle for many reasons: imported rent-a-cops, > along with the use of known local hot-head cops in situations that needed > cool heads and measured response. That, combined with professional > provocateurs, radicals and terrorists from around the world and you've got a > problem brewing. > > Add ineffectual leadership, use of an archaic and likely unconstitutional WW > II era anti-assembly law with suspension of civil liberties and you've got a > huge problem. Then make it all worse by subsequent stonewalling and cover-ups > by cops and politicos alike and you've got G 20. > > The occupy movement stayed local because every city had its own. Local cops > were mostly pretty good during G20, but still stinging from criticism and > embarrassed by the actions of a few, they really showed admirable restraint > during recent "evictions". > > I'm saddened when I see the violence that took place in the US, but I don't > think it's a Canada/US dichotomy. Yes, we look better wrt Occupy, but we > can't hold our heads too high this soon after G 20. > > cheers, > frank > > --- Original Message --- > > From: steve harley<[email protected]> > Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days > > on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote >> It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without >> the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border. >> It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between >> right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they >> behaved at the G20). > i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some > provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real > hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on anti-terrorism > tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have been touched by an > escalative effect from how the authorities are coordinating their repression, > compounded perhaps by the fear and lack of savvy of many of the local > politicians who ultimately decide how to react to each occupation; here in > Denver, both the moderate mayor and moderate governor have directed the > crackdown, and both are terribly afraid of the center drifting right in next > election > > in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, and the > attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the awareness the > public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also remains to be seen how > well corpse money can "fix" it > > i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard to > swallow: > > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy> > -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
