That makes sense, now that you point it out. I suppose that's the entire point of MM.

Still, though -- as obviously beautiful as some of these women are, I'm a little dumbfounded that they'd have trouble finding photographers to shoot them. I guess I spend so much time on PDML that I've lost perspective on just how difficult it is to find a good photographer.

But, if nothing else, that serves as an incentive to be a bit more bold in approaching beautiful women about posing. I've just always assumed that attractive women get approached by every Guy with a Rebel and are rightfully suspicious of anyone who claims to be a photographer.

Maybe I'm just a bit cocooned.

-- Walt

On 4/28/2012 5:22 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Believe it or not, Walt, but aspiring models often have trouble
finding photogs to help build up their portfolios. So they publish
cellphone and P&S shots, often from their friends, just to get the
minimum quota needed to open an account at Model Mayhem.

Once you have a photographer account there with a few decent shots in
it, you'll likely get inquiries from such models looking to shoot.


On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Walt Gilbert<[email protected]>  wrote:
Wow.

Looking through some of the work the ladies post in their portfolios at MM
-- particularly the ones who are local -- I think I could probably hold my
own. I've seen a lot that I would cull on my first review of a group of
party photos.

I mean, you can tell the ladies are really attractive, but I can't believe
the number of less-than-flattering photos they post. It's almost as if they
prefer to be in a "cool picture" than look beautiful in them.


-- Walt

On 4/27/2012 2:59 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Walt, MM lists 7 young ladies who live within 25 miles of Paduca,
Kentucky who will work TFP (ie trade-for-photo).

All you need to do is come up with an idea for a shoot, eg theme,
location, wardrobe, any props, and approach these folks with your
shoot description. If they think your shots will benefit their
portfolio they'll agree to it. Be prepared to show some of your best
work (edit brutally) and they better have people in them. :-)

Here's one who is a fitness and bikini model:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1648238

If you read her resume it says "some experience". If you examine her
portfolio you see that she's had one fitness set of pro-level shots
done and a whole lot of snapshots. She needs more good shots for her
portfolio.

She's a good candidate to approach. She may want gas-money if it's a
fairly long drive to the location.

On a first encounter they'll likely want to bring a friend. You can
put the friend to work holding a reflector or helping keep the model's
hair tidy.

Anyways, good luck!


On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Walt Gilbert<[email protected]>    wrote:
On 4/27/2012 7:15 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Walt Gilbert<[email protected]>
  wrote:
On 4/26/2012 7:23 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Practicing my retouching. Getting quicker now ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7116760695/lightbox/

K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 50mm, f/8, 125th, ISO 100
Two Elinchrom BX500 RI strobes with 24” softboxes

Model: Katelin Popiel

--
-bmw

Rawrrrr indeed!

Great shot, Bruce!

I know a young lady who's the spitting image of that model, and I've
been
pestering her to let me take photos of her for about a year now. She's
only
19 and gets hit on a lot by older men, so I figure that's the biggest
obstacle I have to overcome aside from the fact that I suspect she
doesn't
really know how serious a pursuit photography is for me.

  Maybe in a couple of years.

-- Walt
Thank you!


Walt, my advice fwiw: don't expend energy trying to persuade reluctant
folks to sit for you. Once you discover that there are people who will
crawl over broken glass to have you photograph them, you'll forget all
about the reticent ones.

Even if you manage to sweet talk or bribe a reluctant or shy person
into posing, unless you are lucky (or very skilled) their discomfort,
even mild, will show in the pictures you get.

Put the word out through your family and friends that you're looking
for willing portraiture subjects, and that you'll give them shots in
return. Tell them to ask their friends and family. Mention that you
need help and practice -- people like to help.

Walt, what city are you in? I can do a quick search on Model Mayhem for
you.

Once you have a bit of a portfolio, show that to people. You'll get
more positive responses once you can actually show folks what you can
do.

--
-bmw

Thanks, Bruce -- for the advice and the offer to help out in finding
models.

I'm in a bit of a sticky situation in that regard, living in a town of
about
350 people, and the biggest town within reasonable driving distance being
about 35,000 (Paducah, Kentucky). Though, despite the lack of a big
population center, I don't really have that much trouble finding people
to
pose for me. In fact, I constantly have people asking me if I'll take
pictures of their daughters/sons/grandkids, etc. The biggest challenge is
getting people to follow up after they ask me. I've come to the
conclusion
that, for a lot of people, when they find out you're a photographer, they
just like to say things like that as a means of small-talk.

Normally, when someone asks me to do something like that, I stipulate
that
I'm not by any means a pro photographer with a studio and lighting and
backdrops. At that point, they say, "Oh, I don't care about that! I'm
sure
you'd do a great job!" Then, they never bother contacting me about it.

Which is really OK with me, to be honest. Whenever I try to talk someone
into posing for me (like the young lady I mentioned), I'm looking to take
very casual portraits. I manage to get decent results whenever I do it
completely impromptu -- even when they're shy or reluctant. I just try to
catch them in unguarded moments. (I'm not quite sure I'd be all that
comfortable in a formal "sitting" situation, myself.)

I guess my approach could be best described as getting someone to simply
be
somewhere (or tell me where they're going to be), let them just do what
they
do and be who they are, and tell them to just try to ignore me -- or at
least pretend I'm not there. That's why I like to shoot at gatherings and
events. I just love capturing candid moments, and I'm pretty good at
putting
people at ease once I've had a chance to mingle and blend in.


-- Walt

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