On May 25, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Mark C wrote:

> If I were testing the meters, I'd do the following:
> 
> 1. Be sure to compare both meters in spot metering mode. You probably did 
> this but just in case...
> 2. Verify what the 'spot' in the spot metering is. Put a small saucer sized 
> white paper plate on a piece of black foam core. With the K5 - fill the frame 
> with the plate and then slowly walk away from it, letting the black foam core 
> start to fill the frame. Keep the paper plate centered in the finder - you 
> will see the meter reading stay steady and then rapidly change as the plate 
> gets smaller than the area being metered. You can verify that the "spot" 
> being measured correlates the to the circle in the center of the frame. You 
> could do that with the Sekonic as well.
> 3. Test both the K5 and Sekonic on a gray card, using your knowledge of the 
> size of the spots to be sure that you are only metering off the grey card.
> 4. If there is a material difference in the readings off the gray card, then 
> test the meters off a gray card in direct noon sunlight and compare to the 
> sunny 16 rule. Hopefully one of the meters will comply with that.
> 5. Use the meter that complies with sunny 16 to work up an adjustment factor 
> for the other.
Well though out, but I don't think that's precise enough to get an accurate 
calibration. Sunlight intensity varies by the season and by atmospheric 
conditions.  The only way to be sure a meter is accurate is to have it checked 
by a professional calibration service. Quality Light Metric in L.A. 
323-467-2265 is among the very best. They calibrate meters for many of the DPs 
who work in the film industry. 

Paul


> 6. Spot meter off various colored items and see if the meters perform 
> consistently. If they vary, they may be more or less sensitive to different 
> colors. This can be a bugger because you have no control point. One meter may 
> be more sensitive to green, another to red, you can't use one to calibrate 
> the other. You can try the sunny 16 rule with different colors, of course..
> 
> Are you shooting slide film, color neg, or silver B&W?
> 
> If B&W, I'd just go out and shoot, take notes (mental or otherwise) and 
> compensate the workflow. That means tweaking your metering / film ISO setting 
> (same thing), your development times and agitation regimen. Use the data 
> printed along the edge of the film as a control point for developing. If you 
> are shooting slide film you have to be more careful with metering.
> 
> Here's a story about metering and slide film:
> 
> I visited the beach with a friend of mine one day, and we both shot this 
> lighthouse:
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com/newsite/portfolios/lighthouses/pages/0204l07.htm
> 
> He had a Nikon F5 with a super sophisticated evaluative / color corrected 
> metering system that he relied on. I had a Pz-1p. I spot metered off the 
> black metal frame, did some quick zone calcs in my head, and set the exposure 
> manually. We both shot ISO 100 slide film (him Provia, me E100S.) My shots 
> came out very well - maybe 1/4 to 1/2 stop over exposed, but very usable. His 
> were a mess. SO taking control of metering with film is important.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> MCC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/21/2012 8:27 PM, Kenton Brede wrote:
>> I'm making a foray into film and decided I should get a light meter.
>> I bought a used Sekonic L-508 which has both incident and spot
>> metering.  Messing around with the K-5 and Sekonic, I found the
>> readings didn't really match up.  So I took a picture of the blue sky,
>> the histogram was spiked in the center.  I then spot metered the sky.
>> I used the compensation function to dial in 3AV to bring the meter in
>> line with the K-5's shutter, ISO and aperture.  I used a gray card in
>> the shade to meter off of with the K-5, and then matched those
>> settings on the Sekonic by dialing in a -1AV for the incident reading.
>> 
>> Does this sound like a decent calibration method?
>> 
>> I went around metering things and taking shots with the K-5.  I found
>> that if I spot metered off a shaded green bush, I needed to speed up
>> the shutter 2 stops to bring the histogram near center.  When metering
>> off a gray cloud, with silver lining, I sped up the shutter a couple
>> stops to bring the histogram to center.  The incident meter seemed to
>> get the K-5 in the ballpark when metering in front of a tan shed,
>> while the meter was facing the direction the sun.  In shade, facing
>> away from the sun, I generally had to slow the shutter down a couple
>> stops.
>> 
>> Does this sound like the way an accurate light meter works?  I've
>> never used one.
>> 
>> Any thoughts appreciated.  I realize all this hinges on the K-5 being
>> accurate, and assuming the film cameras will work with the same meter
>> readout as the K-5.  I probably should have just purchased a new
>> model, but good ones are expensive!
>> Thanks,
>> 
> 
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