Believe it or not, some progress is possible, even here in New Jersey. The problem is entrenched power in the local school boards and the unions. We spend vast amounts of money on the public education system; we need to demand better results.
Dan M Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Boris Liberman <[email protected]> wrote: > Daniel, all-public schooling is not reducing to LCD. It is if you don't > invest and your state (as in country, not as one of 50 United State) does > not fully backs the educational system by funds, equipment, etc. This is > huge investment with very slow return - you'll see returns like I said - in > order 20 years after you invested... Hence I don't see anyone who may be in > position to initiate such a change/investment do so. Not in current > political climate of modern western countries... > > On 4/11/2013 7:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said. >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) >>> dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, >>> may >>> be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 >>> years - >>> second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely >>> risky >>> by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible >>> for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of >>> History... So, instead they do cheap populism and "no child left behind" >>> stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery... >>> >>> On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> " If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an >>>> all-public model." >>>> >>>> How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the >>>> system "work"?> >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals >>>>>> and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, >>>>>> in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how >>>>>> they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to >>>>>> compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by >>>>>> the government isn't going to happen. That's history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a >>>>> school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model >>>>> (with, >>>>> of course, some caveats): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ >>>>> >>>>> You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and >>>>> charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't >>>>> take >>>>> the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental >>>>> disabilities). >>>>> -- >>>>> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 >>>>> http://rule6.info/ >>>>> <*> <*> <*> >>>>> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
