Exactly, Frank. No "right" or "wrong", correct or flawed, in this discussion. 
Just suggestions about other ways to look at a scene. Direct gaze, or not? 
Tight crop, or pull back to show a smallish figure in a large world? Sharp or 
soft? Color or B&W? Any combination of these choices will probably provide a 
decent image. Ultimately, it is your choice as to which you like the best, and 
it is your clients' choice as to which they like the best. And BTW you and your 
clients may totally disagree, and that is ok also; their choice may well be 
ones that are far from your own favorites. 

stan

On Jun 22, 2013, at 1:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Hey Walt, the crop (or lack thereof) isn't a "flaw". You just haven't tried 
> it yet on this photo. 
> 
> Yeah "cropping in the camera" is most often preferred but not always 
> possible. 
> 
> The crop I'm proposing isn't a drastic one and should be very do-able without 
> screwing up anything. But who knows, it might not work and you'll prefer this 
> framing.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Walt <[email protected]>
> Sent: June 22, 2013 6/22/13
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Cowgirl Poetry
> 
> Thank you, Frank!
> 
> She was definitely a cute little young lady. She and her mother both 
> seem pleased with the photos I got, and her mother informed me that she 
> definitely wants me to do her fall portraits later this year.
> 
> Looks like the crop is the biggest flaw in the image -- though the lack 
> of softness in the grass is something I wish I'd picked up on before, as 
> well. So, the shot still  needs a bit of work, but I do like the mood I 
> was able to capture.
> 
> As for your birds, bikes, beasts and blokes, I like the work you're 
> doing and if you're enjoying it, that's the important thing. And I 
> suspect if you really wanted to do shots of pretty girls, you could 
> probably arrange it in fairly short order. :)
> 
> Thanks again. I do appreciate the input.
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> On 6/22/2013 10:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> 1) You are my hero. I'm taking bird, bike, beast and bloke photos (and not 
>> "bird" in the English slang sense) and here you are hanging around with 
>> beautiful young women taking beautiful photos.
>> 
>> 2) Like this a lot. Yeah, seeing her eyes would be nice, but that would be a 
>> different photo (yes, there's frank stating the obvious again). My point is, 
>> this works and creates (or should I say "captures") great mood. Pose, 
>> outfit, background, light all work together here.
>> 
>> I ~might~ crop just a bit off the left. That space does nothing and getting 
>> her a bit more off-centre would make things even more interesting imho. Peel 
>> just a bit (equal amounts to maintain the "north/south" balance you have 
>> now) off the top and bottom so you keep the same frame dimensions you have 
>> now.
>> 
>> I think that might be effective, but hell, it's a wonderful photo as is.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: Walt <[email protected]>
>> Sent: June 21, 2013 6/21/13
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: PESO: Cowgirl Poetry
>> 
>> Here's a shot from a session I picked up through the mother of the girl
>> I photographed earlier in the week.
>> 
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9102768906/
>> K-5, F50/1.7, f/2.2, 1/400 sec, ISO 100
>> 
>> I think that's my favorite of the bunch. I'll be selecting my other
>> favorites for posting on flickr over the next few days rather than
>> inflict the full set on everyone before I've had the chance to cull the
>> weakest ones.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Walt
>> 
> 
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