You need the brass balls.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, John <johnsess...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Definitely sounds like the kind of headache I'd rather pay someone else to
> deal with.
>
>
>
> On 7/15/2013 9:13 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>>
>> The circuitry, such as it is which is basically tiny brass balls shorting
>> or
>> not shorting to the frame or one of the other balls, is directly below the
>> rear mounting ring. If you take that off, do it slowly so that you can see
>> which balls and springs go where. It could be something gunked up in
>> there.
>> There is no real circuitry inside the old A lenses AFAIK. (I have had
>> several apart, and successfully reassembled them)
>>
>> Gerrit
>>
>>
>>
>>   wiggle the lens in the mount; turn it off & dismount & remount the lens;
>> turn it off & dismount the lens, clean the contacts on the lens & body and
>> remount the lens ...
>>
>> When I turn it back on, maybe I'll get the focal length prompt again or
>> maybe I'll get the last aperture I selected.
>>
>> If I *DO* get the aperture, it appears I'm going to get the "F--" again
>> after a few shots. It's definitely something going on with the lens.
>> I've tried it with a bunch of other lenses that have the aperture ring &
>> an
>> 'A' detent. They all work just fine.
>>
>> I've seen that "F--" before with several different lenses and it's always
>> been when I somehow got the lens unlocked from the 'A' detent. As soon as
>> I
>> get the lens back in the 'A' position the problem goes away.
>>
>> I think something inside this lens that has to do with whatever circuit
>> detects whether the lens is mechanically locked into the 'A' position or
>> not
>> is wearing out.
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2013 4:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> And John,
>>> Did you clean the contacts on the camera as well?
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM, John <johnsess...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2013 1:03 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you try cleaning the contacts? There isn't an communication
>>>>> between the lens and the camera for an A lens. It just reads the
>>>>> contacts and determines aperture range. Try cleaning them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup. That was something I learned from Army radios.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know why it stopped working. Don't know why it started working
>>>> again once I got home. Don't know when it's going to decide to crap
>>>> out again.
>>>>
>>>> But the contacts are clean.
>>>>
>>>> I (gently) racked the aperture ring several times from 'A' to 2.8 &
>>>> back again to see if maybe some bit of grunge was keeping it from
>>>> registering the 'A' position internally.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it's time to start looking for a backup/replacement before it
>>>> fails for good. Looks like the only thing available is going to be
>>>> either the 28-70 F2.8 SIGMA EX ASPHERICAL (77) or the 24-70 F2.8
>>>> SIGMA DG EX ASPHERICAL (82).
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have hands on experience comparing either of them with the
>>>> Tokina ATX-Pro?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, John <johnsess...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally dredge up enough motivation to actually go out and do
>>>>>> some photography. Got on site & my favorite lens takes a crap on me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My workhorse has been a Tokina ATX-Pro 287 28-70mmf/2.8. I got two
>>>>>> frames & camera won't fire the shutter. Aperture shows "F--". I do
>>>>>> everything I can to make sure the lens is properly seated & that
>>>>>> the aperture ring is latched into the 'A' position ... NO JOY!
>>>>>> Nothing I can do will make it show the aperture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one other 'A' lens (SMC Pentax-A Macro 1:2.8 100mm) in my
>>>>>> bag on site, & when I switch to it the aperture works fine. I also
>>>>>> try both lenses on my K10D (backup) and get the same results;
>>>>>> Tokina "F--" & Pentax shows the aperture selected with the
>>>>>> thumb-wheel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm back home & I've got a couple of other Pentax auto-focus 'A'
>>>>>> lenses to test with. They all show the aperture & change with the
>>>>>> thumb-wheel. And just to add insult to injury, I give the Tokina
>>>>>> one last try & now it's showing the aperture again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, every bit of motivation has drained away!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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