So just because you're the only one (that I know of) on this list who actually flew fighter aircraft back in the sixties you think that makes you an expert? Do you really think your actual real-world experience means that you know more than us armchair quarterbacks?
Okay, I never flew them but I read about them. And of course you're absolutely right. I liked the Starfighter because it was cool looking and fast. But your Double Ugly was faster, could attain a higher altitude, carry more payload and out-maneuver Starfighters (and pretty much everything else). It was about five years newer than the F104 and engine technology and aerodynamics improved greatly during that time. Anyway, there's no doubt that the F4 was the finest fighter-bomber of it's time. It must have been a thrill to pilot them! Cheers, frank On 11 February, 2014 4:44:17 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" <[email protected]> wrote: >I was an airborne radar intercept officer. I was trained to use >Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles in air-to-air combat. While I never >was sent up against a Vulcan, I know enough about it to say that it >would be a fairly easy target, big and slow. The 104 would be a bit >harder, but since it had a turning radius bigger that the orbit of >Mars, not difficult to outmaneuver. We had radar controlled missiles >to fire head-on from 3 to 10 miles away, and heat-guided missiles to >fire from .5 to 1.5 miles behind another aircraft. > >Dan Matyola >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > >On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Stanley Halpin ><[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <[email protected]> >wrote: >> >>> In air-to-air combat, neither the F-104 nor the Vulcan would be a >>> match for the Phantom. I know; that used to be my job. >> >> Your job was to shoot down Vulcans and F-104’s? I know the Marines >consider themselves a service apart, but this seems to take that notion >too far! >> >> stan >> >>> >>> Dan Matyola >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, John Coyle <[email protected]> >wrote: >>>> Thanks Dan - but see my response to Chris! >>>> >>>> John Coyle >>>> Brisbane, Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: PDML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel J. >Matyola >>>> Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2014 6:31 PM >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank! >>>> >>>> Great shot! >>>> >>>> This, however, if what a REAL airplane looks like <G>: >>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10368188 >>>> >>>> Dan Matyola >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Coyle <[email protected]> >wrote: >>>>> Sorry for the delay, had to dig out the relevant slides and find a >film scanner to scan slides! >>>>> A shot taken at Biggin Hill or Farnborough in probably the early >>>>> sixties, when the Canadian Air Force display team was showing off >during the annual air show. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.members.iinet.net.au/[email protected]/F104.html >>>>> >>>>> John Coyle >>>>> Brisbane, Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >[email protected] >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
