On 02/08/2015 2:14 PM, Knarf wrote:
So there's a photo of a woman naked above the waist and the viewer
has sexualized her?
Are you serious?
If you see sexualization, then that is what you see.
It may not be what someone else sees.
Bruce took that photo knowing that part of its appeal would be
sexual. And Dorrie agreed to have the photo taken, knowing that sex
was a part of it.
Were you there?
Does that mean Bruce exploited Dorrie? No.
By agreeing to be photographed in that way (indeed, being part of the
creative process) was Dorrie being exploited? Yeah, I think so.
Generally speaking, exploitation doesn't involve consent.
Not by Bruce but by a society that puts a value on the sexualization
and objectification of women. Being a consenting part of the process
doesn't mean one isn't being exploited.
Now it's my turn to ask if you are serious.
Exploitation: "the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order
to benefit from their work."
Was the model treated unfairly? Did Bruce have to threaten her or drug
her into a stupor to get her to pose?
The whole "exploitation" thing is a construct of people who want to
control others through shaming them.
If a person wants to be exploited, they will be exploited.
Oops, if they want to be exploited, that takes away the unfair part of
the definition.
We're all socialized to see this as normal and acceptable but does
that mean it's okay?
If it's normal and acceptable, then by definition it's okay.
Men and women are portrayed far differently by the media. Yes, men
can be sexualized, but in a very different way, and certainly far
less frequently than women.
My problem isn't necessarily with this individual photo or with
Bruce. It's that this is a part of the exploitation and
objectification that goes on every day on TV, in movies, magazines,
and advertising of all kinds. Women ~are~ treated differently than
men especially in sexual portrayals, and to the extent that this
photo is a part of that, I feel very uncomfortable.
If a person is comfortable with the process, then your discomfort is
your problem, and is something that you are trying to project onto them.
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