Ron,

I've got to reply to this.  Bear in mind that for quite awhile I owned
and heavily used 2 PZ-1p's and like them very much.  I now own 2
MZ-S's.

See my comments below


Bruce



Friday, May 03, 2002, 9:08:16 AM, you wrote:

RB> I'm in the same boat ;-).  Although I haven't seen the MZ-S yet, I
RB> immediately
RB> was ready to spring for one, seeing that it's smaller and lighter than my
RB> PZ-1.
RB> I applaud the new design, smaller and lighter body.  But here's a cause for
RB> a
RB> pause ;-).

RB> o 1/180 flash sync speed - I can't understand how Pentax could go backward
RB>   on this!  The PZ-1 has a nice 1/250!  1/180 is in nowhere land, like the
RB> 1/100
RB>   sync that came down all the way from the ME!

On the one hand you applaud the smaller size and weight and then
critizice it for making minor concessions to achieve it.  The shutter
determines both top speed and top flash synch.  The shutter in the
PZ-1p is bigger, heavier, louder and more bouncy.  What Pentax has
done is used a refined, quieter, better damped shutter at the expense
of about 1/2 stop.  I have used both and there is really not much
difference.


RB> o 0.75X viewfinder magnification.  I don't understand why less magnification
RB>   is better.  I understand the high eyepoint, etc. When I look through my MX
RB>   (0.98X magnification) with my 24mm lens, I can really see the perspective
RB>   effect (near-far, etc.).  On my old SuperProgram with 0.82X, it was more
RB>   difficult but still useable. Same goes for 0.8X of the PZ-1 which I think
RB>   is at the limit, but 0.86X would be nicer.

Viewfinders are always a land of compromise.  I would love to hear
from someone with knowledge about what decisions went in to the design
of this particular finder.  Moving from the PZ-1p to the MZ-S has not
caused me to long for the PZ-1p.  In fact, I really didn't notice any
negative differences.

RB> o Still no flash compensation!

There you are wrong my friend.  Pentax changed the nature of flash
compensation.  They now work like Nikon, Canon and Minolta - that is -
the flash compensation is built into the flash rather than the body.
The new AF360FGZ has full flash compensation and high speed synch (up
to 1/6000) to boot.  Most uses of fill flash in bright light are for
portraits - shadow filling and eye catchlights.  The MZ-S is an
improvement over the PZ-1p.

RB> o Top speed of 1/6000 - again in nowhere land.  However, this one
RB> is just knit picking since I rarely used 1/8000 on my PZ-1.

This goes hand in hand with the above comments on shutters.

RB>  If the MZ-S price tag was $500, perhaps I could live these RB>
RB>shortcomings.  But at $900, well it's certainly a cause for a pause.
RB>So I've been thinking that perhaps I should wait for an "MZ-Sn" and
RB>get a lightweight ZX-L (with all its short comings) in the meantime.

I don't know where you got $900 from.  I paid $800 for both of mine. I
guess the funny thing about your post, is you failed to note any of
the positives of the MZ-S over the PZ-1p.  If nothing about the new
camera is important, you would do best to stay with what you have.

Sorry for sounding a little ornery, but your post came across as very
uninformed and you only compared a few features.  Very biased, in my
opinion.  What I can tell you is that the style and philosophy of
these two cameras are different.  In most of the discussions those who
like the Canon Robo style of interface (spinning dials - all control
in the body) prefer the PZ-1p.  Those who like the more retro
interface (LX, SuperProgram, ZX-5n) prefer the MZ-S.

You really should try using one to see what you really think.

RB> Just one of my 35 opinions,
RB> Ron B[ee]

RB> -----Original Message-----
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RB> Subject: how good


RB> mz-s is it any good?
RB> i have a pz-1 and am looking to up grade
RB> is it worth it
RB> also i have heard good things about the tokina 100-300mm lend f4 has any one
RB> else
RB> also is the 24-90mm lens of pentax any good?
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