On Fri, Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > Stan - You made the point much better than I did earlier - u write good > :-)
+1 :-)> Cheers Brian ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > ann > > > On 10/27/2016 9:10 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Ken Waller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most > >> of us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were > >> shooting for reasons other than casual photography. > >> > >> I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 > >> years was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the > >> rest. > >> > >> About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and > >> produce 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane > >> subjects out there. > >> > >> It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out > >> most of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. > >> > >> With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand > >> images I truly regard as 'keepers’. > > I somewhat agree with you Ken. If one’s goal is to produce a select set of > > “wall hangers” that are worthy of one’s careful craftsmanship, then one > > shouldn’t waste time shooting what is obviously going to be a poor shot due > > to lighting issues, too much wind causing subject movement, intrusive > > elements in the composition, etc. > > > > But there are many other reasons for taking pictures. Dan and Brian talk > > about capturing memories of places (e.g., a poorly lit Grand Canyon.) For > > many people, it is about capturing memories of people and occasions (and > > places). > > > > I am in occasional contact with a few from my high school class. There was > > a recent reunion (which I could not attend.) My friend Ingrid afterwards > > walked to a landmark waterfall, her husband took a P&S or cellphone image > > of her on the path behind the falls. She posted it on Facebook, commented > > how happy she was to have been able to visit the place. I have struggled > > with that waterfall. Lighting is poor in the gorge, too many people on the > > path, most of whom want that shot under the falls. It is possible but > > highly unpopular to set up a tripod on the narrow pathway. It is possible > > to do a decent portrait but it takes care and luck. Someone commented on > > Ingrid’s photo, gushing about what a wonderful shot it was. It wasn’t > > wonderful. It was approaching pretty awful. Poor focus, camera movement, > > subject too small to be recognizable unless you knew who you were looking > > at. But for Ingrid and others, it was wonderful because it captured her in > > a moment in time, at a special place she is too seldom able to visit. > > > > stan > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ann sanfedele <[email protected]> > >>> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >>> > >>> the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders > >>> and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. > >>> > >>> From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give > >>> them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without > >>> thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in > >>> film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or > >>> unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. > >>> > >>> The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are > >>> mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have > >>> well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not > >>> sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been > >>> able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are > >>> precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more > >>> important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing > >>> cabinets. > >>> > >>> But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature.... as > >>> those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in > >>> length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than > >>> in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... > >>> I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. > >>> > >>> Good morning gang.. > >>> > >>> ann > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > >>>> Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went > >>>> through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ > >>>> years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound > >>>> up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for > >>>> many years. > >>>> > >>>> Kenneth Waller > >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann sanfedele" <[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when > >>>>> you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough > >>>>> here. > >>>>> > >>>>> My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red > >>>>> filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same > >>>>> in photo shop and > >>>>> > >>>>> improve it quite a bit I think... > >>>>> > >>>>> I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very > >>>>> handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was > >>>>> thinking of looking to > >>>>> > >>>>> see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that > >>>>> bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two > >>>>> dogs were having > >>>>> > >>>>> a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them > >>>>> > >>>>> ann > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > >>>>>>> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, > >>>>>>> but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with > >>>>>>> it. > >>>>>> Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the > >>>>>> light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image > >>>>>> when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kenneth Waller > >>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Smith" > >>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: > >>>>>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't > >>>>>>> wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and > >>>>>>> live with > >>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with > >>>>>>> letters > >>>>>>> after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite > >>>>>>> dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with > >>>>>>> software. I'm > >>>>>>> happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but > >>>>>>> otherwise > >>>>>>> it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply > >>>>>>> paint > >>>>>>> what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and > >>>>>>> I've taken > >>>>>>> many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still > >>>>>>> like > >>>>>>> this as it stands. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Malcolm > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> [email protected] > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
