I've had and heavily use a brand new F 70- 210 for 28 years and have only one 
real issue with it - the focus barrel, to which filters screw into, rotates 
when it tries to attain focus, and subsequently I have to remember to reset the 
polarizer filter - it obviously not a biggie, which is to say I really, really 
like that lens, to the point that a few years back I picked up a duplicate even 
though The original lens continues on like a storm trooper!

Probably my third most used lens.

Let's just keep it a secret P.J.


-----Original Message-----
>From: "P.J. Alling" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Really mini review comparing the F 70-210 to Sigma Zoom 70-210.
>
>Most people don't care.  However I recently acquired, a "new", at least 
>to me F 70-210 from KEH.com.  So I thought I'd post the salient points 
>of the pros and cons of the two lenses.
>
>First off I think I'll say I don't hate the Sigma, I just don't love it 
>either and life is too short to put up with things you don't love if no 
>one is paying you for too.
>
>Physical comparison, the Pentax is about 1/2 inch, (~12mm), longer, only 
>slightly wider in diameter, and surprisingly not that much heavier than 
>the Sigma.
>
>The Pentax is mostly metal, and the Sigma is mostly plastic, most of the 
>weight in both lenses seems to be the glass.
>
>I've partially torn down a F 70-210 Pentax, (and also received back the 
>remnants of another used as a parts donor), so while looking at it from 
>the outside it appears to be a much more solid build, there are 
>decisions on interior construction that aren't quite so confidence 
>inspiring.  I haven't torn down the Sigma but if it's anything like the 
>plastic Pentax lenses I've had apart, it is, other than in materials, 
>maybe better built.  It would certainly be harder for things to get out 
>of alignment, (but once they do, in most cases, you might as well throw 
>the whole mess away).
>
>The Pentax has a very long focus throw, the focus ring is very narrow, 
>manual focus dampening is relatively light, but not too unpleasant, and 
>can be very accurate due to the long focus throw. Auto-focus can be slow 
>if the camera decides to rack the lens from infinity to closest focus.  
>The Sigma has a much wider manual focus ring, slightly better dampening 
>and a much shorter focus throw, about 45° as opposed to almost 130° for 
>the Pentax, so focusing when the Camera decides to rack the lens from 
>closest focus to infinity is a bit faster.  Manual focusing is still 
>pretty easy to be fairly accurate and one of the things I really like 
>about the Sigma is, it's, for an auto-focus lens, luxurious wide focus 
>ring.  That said, the K-5II very seldom racked the whole focus length to 
>find proper focus, except under the dimmest of lighting conditions.
>
>Optically the Pentax is just better, maybe not much, but enough that it 
>was noticeable.  Pretty much at all focal lengths and apertures that I 
>normally use.  I've owned three F 70-210mm lenses and the first was the 
>best, sharp at all focal lengths, the second was a little soft at around 
>210mm but still not too bad, the new one is probably somewhere between 
>the the first and second.  The Sigma was never quite as sharp at any 
>focal length as the second Pentax.  Not really bad it could be mostly 
>corrected in post processing, just not as quite as sharp.
>
>The Pentax focuses closer, the Sigma claims a 1:4.7 reproduction ratio, 
>(it's written right there on the focusing scale), the Pentax according 
>to Boz' site has a 1:4 reproduction ratio, it doesn't seem like much of 
>a difference, but once again it feels noticeable, I was always 
>frustrated with the Sigma in that regard.
>
>The Sigma is not as flare resistant as the Pentax, or maybe it is in 
>different ways.  It seems to be more prone to veiling flare, so if a 
>bright light source is even close to being in frame there is a 
>noticeable loss of contrast and sharpness, the SMC coating on the Pentax 
>even though 15 years older is much more effective than the Sigma's.  
>Still it's hard to get actual flair artifacts with either lens at least 
>on a digital camera.  I don't have the dedicated lens hood for the 
>Sigma, and an after market lens hood was one of those things I kept 
>putting off buying.  I adopted an old Super Takumar lens hood for the 
>Pentax which works perfectly for the focal lengths on APS-C.
>
>Bokeh is different, but a lot of that has to do with how busy the 
>background is neither of these lenses will ever be mistaken for being 
>fast, so that's kind of a non issue. There are lots of other minor 
>differences, most of which aren't important in the digital era, such as 
>color rendering more a matter of taste, and easily manipulated in photo 
>software.
>
>I guess I could go on a lot longer.  Let's get to the bottom line.
>
>The Sigma is a real bargain, you can pick one up for less than $40. in 
>Ex to LN condition, (or as KEH.com would call it Bargain), or for free, 
>the way I did. Optical and mechanical quality is reasonable, you get a 
>lot more than your 40 bucks worth. It's so cheap that it's almost not 
>worth selling it.  So I'm not going to.  It will sit on the shelf 
>collecting dust, (as a backup for that inevitable day when something 
>comes loose in the F 70-210 and I have do decide to repair or replace), 
>next to my film cameras and actual great lenses I seldom seem to use 
>because they are inconvenient,  (more convenient to use on a Pentax 
>Digital than if I was a Canon user with a collection of the same 
>vintage, but still)...
>
>The Pentax is just better, slightly heavier, slightly bigger, mostly 
>metal with that cool feel of solidity that the K-5II has in the hand.  
>They don't look like they were made for each other, (in fact F lenses in 
>that greenish grey color are some of the silliest looking lenses in my 
>opinion), but they feel like they were made for each other.  Sharper at 
>all focal lengths  and f stops, than the Sigma, more flair resistant, 
>just all around, better, and you can find it /nearly/ as inexpensively 
>as the Sigma.
>
>-- 
>I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve 
>immortality through not dying.
>-- Woody Allen


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