Yeah, the 28000 shot  is extreme, especially since it is about a 50% crop. Bit 
I'm okay with noisy pics as long as they're sharp. The noise is no more 
pronounced than Tri-x grain at ISO 800. Printed and viewed from a normal 
distance, this type shot is fine by me. But I think you're more particular than 
I am. That could be a good thing. Someone has to maintain the standards around 
here! :-)

Paul via phone

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Ken Waller <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Big improvement in noise with the second shot - 28000 vs 1500.
> 
> I would consider the one at 28000 just about unusable.
> 
> Nice lighting on the second one - nicely caught eye highlight.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stenquist" <[email protected]>
> Subject: More Birdies, different converters
> 
> 
>> This appears to be a finch, and I shot it with the D FA 150-450 and the A2X 
>> S converter. Like the other pic I posted it’s f8, 1/320th and about ISO 28,00
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307583&size=lg
>> 
>> For this one I put on the DA 1.4 AF converter and slowed the shutter speed 
>> down to 1/80th, I was able to get the ISO down to about 1500. (The bird, a 
>> Junko, was also in better light.)
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18307586&size=lg
>> 
>> The much slower shutter speed works fine if the bird down’t move, but if he 
>> takes off I’ll lose what might be a good shot.
>> 
>> Tons of fun in the backyard.I shot the pics sitting in a lawn chair with the 
>> camera on a tripod. I think sitting s a plus because it minimizes my size.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
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