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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don
> Williams Finland
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> How can you say that Wheatfield Willie is right? That C41
> can't be pushed?

Maybe because he's got pretty good credentials and he's done his own
experiments with contrary results?

> I've just carried out a well controlled experiment and the
> results show
> unequivocally that it can be pushed quite nicely. Take a look.
>
> http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/hold/index.htm

I don't want to get into an argument, nor do I want to give the
impression that I'm not grateful for your efforts (I am), but I'm not
sure I would call your experiment well-controlled, nor do I think it
unequivocally demonstrates that C-41 can push 2 stops without
degradation.

In particular, I think there three aspects of your experiment which
are questionable:

- your metering method
- your definition of film speed
- the lack of a control film

IMHO, the metering is key - if 1/125 wasn't the correct reading for
ISO 400, you experiment just doesn't work.

If you pull out a box of ISO 400, open it up and look inside you'll
see various shutter speed / aperture recommendations. For "cloudy
day/open shade" the recommendation is f/8 at 1/250. You described your
conditions as subdued sunlight, so it wouldn't surprise me if 1/500th
actually was the correct exposure for 400. In fact, the recommended
combination for "hazy sunlight" is f/16 at 1/250.

Film speed is determined by shadow detail. Your experiment needs a
control film so you can compare shadow areas...if your results were
correct, the shadow detail of the pushed film should be similar to the
shadow detail of the unpushed film. More precisely, it's these
densities that are to be compared.

Also, a control film that was processed normally would give you a
better idea whether your meter readings were correct - the one with
the least exposure should look pretty bad.

I think film is pushable to some extent having pushed hundreds of
rolls myself, but I have trouble believing that color film can be
pushed 2 stops with no ill effects. If this were the case, Fuji and
Kodak would just relabel their films at a higher speed and tell labs
to increase development 20%.

tv
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