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>Try doing a live backup of an Oracle 7.x or earlier Data Base instance 
using the UNIX
tape backup utility, without shutting down the data base.  You get garbage 
after you
restore the tapes the instance is no longer useable.  The DBA knew that you

should either
shut down the DB or use Oracle's backup utility but no one ever asked 
him.  So the Database
was un-recoverable.  It had to be recreated,  not fun, not completely 
successful either.
The tapes all verify by the way.  There are more ways to screw up backups, 
I have lists.
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procedural stupidity can't be overcome. backing up photographic files isn't
subject to transactional integerity issues.

Herb...

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