An internet list such as this is a great microcosm of the world.  It proves 
that civility never wins out over incivility - and this is why humanity is 
ultimately doomed.  Calls for civility are futile as long as such obtuse and 
hostile people exist, which they always will.  It's the same problem we 
civilized First World countries have in co-existing with terrorists - as 
long as they exist, they will never consent to any higher rules of 
Civilization.  It's like the question of who wins in a debate between 
Wittgenstein and a bear.  (Answer: the bear.)  Asking people not to swear or 
be needlessly hurtful is like asking terrorists to stop blowing people up - 
it's silly to attempt it.  And, again like terrorists, people come up with 
the silly arguments that any attempt at order (or in this case, merely a 
plea for voluntary compliance!) is "policing"

All you can do is live with it, be realistic, and remind yourself that this 
is why the world can never be a place of peace, enlightenment, civility, 
etc.

Every day I get on the bus and witness young punks/gangsters swearing to 
each other in the most insanely vile language right in front of peacable old 
folks.  It is a sad thing, but not surprising.  Once long ago there may have 
been manners, but no longer.  Now there are only feelings of licentiousness 
(combined with a haughty sense of entitlement to any sort of behavior).

Manners will never work on an unmoderated list and calls for better manners 
only really incite people who are hostile to civilization.

RSW

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:49:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob Poe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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GET THE ... OVER IT...  ETC, ETC  [Bob Poe]



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