Sorry you feel that way Brad some of us remember the switch over.  Why 
sponser a group
if you're going to ignore it.  Why stop watching once it's self 
supporting.  Hell
I have a friend who's job was to search the Internet for information about 
his company
and the competition.  This is easier we do the research for them.

At 04:11 PM 10/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Heh -- unbelieveable some of you would *think* that.  Maybe you guys should
>put the foil hats back on?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 10:51 AM
>Subject: Re: Digital! I got digital! Long but worth actually reading!
>
>
> > Actually Pentax probably does watch this list, after all at one time they
> > did sponsor it.  It's an interesting way to get market feed back.  Wether
> > they do anything about it or not is another thing.
> >
> > At 06:20 AM 10/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tim S Kemp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:58 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Digital! I got digital!
> > >
> > >
> > > > > And back to my first sentence, is there any way we can kill off the
>DSLR
> > > > > thread? since Pentax doesn't make one and we've beat the topic to
>death
> > > > > about 5000 times too many.
> > > >
> > > > It wouldn't surprise me if people from Pentax read this list and
>comment
> > > > back, if they don't know what a small percentage of their fans want
>then
> > > > they'll never bother.
> > >
> > >Tim, that would surprise me!!  I'm sorry, but that is fantasy in it's
> > >extreme!  Having Pentax people watching the list, like we are important.
> > >Hahaha.  Never.  If they did monitor the Almighty PDML, they'd be more
> > >likely to notice that many people here have been working with Pentax for
> > >many long years, and instead of taking out the MZ-S and putting only FA*
>on,
> > >they use the old equipment for various and valid reasons, don't get me
> > >wrong.  But that is indeed what many people here do, like it or not,
> > >disagree or not, it's very much a fact.  Now, they don't dismiss or buy
>new
> > >equipment, but they are almost more of older Pentax camera memoriblia
> > >collectors.  Like I said, nothing wrong with it.  I'm sure when Mr. Asahi
> > >(ya ya, don't comment, I know the answer) sees this he'll be touched, but
> > >that's about all.  "Small percentage" was used, and that is very much the
> > >case!  We are but a grain of sand in a large beach.  Oh sure we have
>people
> > >from all over the world here, much to our benefit.  But really, do all
>those
> > >that own digital P&S or 35mm P&S or the MZ entry level cameras care as
>much
> > >about them as we do?  We are a minority in a minority.  I'm geez, my dad
>is
> > >a Minolta guy, loves his camera, uses it a lot and surfs the web, but
>unless
> > >he needs a camera, he doesn't think about it.  He couldn't give a fart
>about
> > >a Minolta list.  Fact is that he, as do most people owning cameras of ANY
> > >make, don't care like the vocal members here.  We're mostly a small group
>of
> > >dedicated members (with the odd exception)  Pentax SLR is very small
>market,
> > >I can't find poop around here, I tripped to Toronto and wasn't even that
> > >impressed with what Henrys CBD store had.  Is it safe for me to assume
>that
> > >everyone here at least owns a Pentax 35mm camera?  I know people use
>other
> > >systems or have switched, but they surely must have something, or why be
> > >here?  So most of the 'vocal' group has SLRs of various ages and level.
>I
> > >know that there are the silent lurkers who read and learn.  I'd wager a
>bet
> > >they own the Pentax P&S or the Optios.
> > >
> > >I'm tired, and finally, what you and I say means nothing.  Pentax is not
> > >watching us (so throw away your foil hats)  A Pentax DSLR is a dream.  It
> > >doesn't exist.  Why talk about it?  Have we gotten anywhere?  We just
>bicker
> > >and speculate.  Geez, most of the digital topics are OT!!  I'm beginning
>to
> > >think, besides his manner of approach, Bruce R. has a good handle on
>things.
> > >
> > >This is not the DDML (Digital Distribution Mailing List)  Guess what?
>It's
> > >PDML, and I used to think it stood for Pentax Distribution Mailing list.
> > >Sure you can talk digital, Pentax has the Optio series, but it's rare for
> > >that to come up...why?  If those crazy spies from Pentax report to there
> > >bosses we aren't into digital P&S of Pentax make, they could very likely
> > >assume we have no interest in digital at all.  But I'll continue to beat
>a
> > >dead horse, we don't have a DSLR, I'm sure we'll get one, but not for a
>long
> > >while, and when and if it shows up seems like we are expecting to compete
> > >with Nikon and Canon......is that what Pentax does?  I think the DSLR
>that
> > >they come out with will disappoint those here that want it, and then
>there
> > >will be bitching about this and that.  Also, a number of people have
> > >discussed first, second, third generation of SLRs.  Some have gone on and
> > >said that they probably wouldn't buy a first generation one, just like
>some
> > >that won't go for the MZ-S.  What do the Pentax spies think of that?  If
> > >they were about to make one they'd shut down the plant because we won't
>buy
> > >it, wanting a 2nd gen one of better quality, it mean huge losses.  If we
> > >were all in support of Digitalizing Pentax, we'd have all rushed out and
> > >bought one of the Optios.  I did.  (not for that reason though)  There
>are
> > >just a few here with an Optio.  Doesn't sound like good support for
>digital
> > >Pentax.
> > >
> > >Blah blah, I ranted and raved, sorry for the long email (if anyone got
>this
> > >far) but I really think we should all really stop discussing a topic that
> > >does not exist and also we solve nothing, there is nothing new in posts
> > >about digital Pentax or otherwise anymore, we've talked it to death.  Let
>it
> > >R.I.P
> > >
> > >Brad Dobo
> > >
> > >PS ... I love this group and all the members, I learn a lot, and we have
>a
> > >nice cosy Internet family.  So, my dear relatives, any remarks above is
>not
> > >putting you down, in fact, you are held on a pedestal for me.
> >

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