>By the way, I'm enjoying this exchnage.  Don't let a
>forceful argument be mistaken for anger ;-)  There's
>been too much of that lately on the
>list.
>Steven Desjardins

I too am enjoying this interaction - thank you for
mentioning that.  

The only problem is that, though I am rarely at a loss
for words, I honestly don't know how to respond to
your statement (below).

> If you could
> create an atom by atom copy of a painting by
> Picasso, then I would argue
> that the two really are identical because if you
> turned your back I
> could do the shell game and you couldn't tell them
> apart.  

Maybe we have reached an impasse because I don't know
how to continue.

It is like if two people were debating abortion and
one person honestly stated that there was nothing at
all wrong with any sort of murder or the other person
honestly stated that there is nothing wrong with
taking away all of a woman's rights.  (I am not
stating a preference for either argument, but only
saying that if either side expressed these beliefs,
continuing a debate about abortion would be senseless
because there is no agreement about the more
fundamental predicates of the debate.)

I am not trying to slander your argument or even claim
it is "wrong," but only say that it is so far from my
belief system that I cannot begin to understand how it
could be thought true.

Lastly...

>In literature, on the other hand, Hamlet has
>always been "copyable".

Literature does not consist in the appearance of print
on page, which is what is copyable.  Truly copying
Shakespeare would be "authoring" (including dreaming
up) Hamlet again.  No one is capable of this.  This is
precisely how process of creation comes into play. 
Just because I can photocopy Shakespeare doesn't make
my copying equivalent to the work of Skakespeare.  In
the same way, Picasso's painting is a Picasso because
it was made by Picasso, regardless of appearance. 
Even a Picasso dropped in a lake washing the canvas
almost clean is more a Picasso than a gorgeous
photocopy of it before it was dropped in the Lake
(which of course would resemble our memory of the
original more closely than the damaged one does).

As I said, I'm sorry if we are not making progress at
this point.  I feel like I am circling around the same
point repeatedly without enlightening anyone.  Perhaps
my thinking and communication is out of its bounds and
I should leave off.  [Cheers heard thoughout the
PDML!]

Take care-

Chaso



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Chaso DeChaso


"Less is more cheap" - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect

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