Yep, I had a Vivitar 70-210/4.5 that did the same thing at the longer focal lengths. 
It was my first experience with "bokeh", though the term was unknown 15 years 
ago....In 
fact, I didn't really understand the specifics at the time, but that was the beginning 
of when I would choose lenses based on how the "total" image looked, including the out 
of focus areas.

William in Utah.

11/9/2002 6:01:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Would this be an example of bad bokeh? Or would it be called something else? 
>
>That circular swirling motion/pattern in the background around the subject. It 
>happens everytime I use my cheap Vivitar 80-200 zoom set at 200mm. I haven't noticed 
>it at 
80mm and I haven't really tested it at other focal lengths.
>
>http://members.aol.com/doepage2/pigeon.jpg
>
>I find it distinctly weird and I don't like it.
>
>But maybe it's called something else.
>
>Doe aka Marnie Parker ;-)
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