to the extent that this thread is not directly related to board design i suggest we move this to the OT forum
i got my wrist slapped once for ranting on this topic and not using the OT forum
ds
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That some call this new requirement a chessplay to shorten the lifecycle and thus increase the turnover is as little helping as that some claim it was invented to keep the asian competition out. Japan started this process 15 years ago and introduced it throughout, apparently having solved the problems. To me it is a task on the list.
What makes you think they have solved the problems? We won't know that until the lead-free devices have been in service for 10 years and exhibited the same or lower solder joint failure rates as lead-full devices.
I have a Sony VCR that started acting flaky after about 2 years. The symptoms are consistent with intermittent solder joints. Sometimes the tuner and remote works, sometimes they don't. Mechanically the deck transport is fine. That's not right - electronics should outlast mechanicals.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Tschaggelar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Lead free re design
Dennis, as European, I don't have the option to stay out of the lead free, thus I had to get some information in the last few months. While my pcb assembler acknowledges that he doesn't have the proper process parameters, he said the problems are multiple. The lifetime is reduced, because the tinn eats the copper, meaning after about 7 years there might be a gap between the copper trace and the tinned part. The lead till now supressed this effect. Silver would solve it at increased cost, beside that silver can grow whiskers of several mm in length, thus shorting a 0603. If the silver-tin was heated above 230 degrees that would not happen. The increased melting point of the new tin alloys is between 217 and 220 degrees, whereas the lead-tin was at 188 degrees. This can give problems with subunits such as DC/DC converters or overized oscillators. These shouldn't fall apart when being subject to the normal soldering process. Meaning they internally have to be soldered with something higher melting. With the new 220 degree tin alloy this margin became smaller.
There are multiple exceptions to follow the lead free. The automobile industry is amongst them. Ok, I could classify my products as automobile classified, and earn less/more. But what is my customer going to do ?
That some call this new requirement a chessplay to shorten the lifecycle and thus increase the turnover is as little helping as that some claim it was invented to keep the asian competition out. Japan started this process 15 years ago and introduced it throughout, apparently having solved the problems. To me it is a task on the list.
Rene
Dennis Saputelli wrote:
i may have posted this before but don't recall an answer
someone has asked me if there are *design* issues re pc bd designs and the movement to lead-free
i said i didn't think so, but then i wondered about the elevated temperatures and surface finsishes
what is the proper call out for surface finish of a pcb for lead free ? and are there any actual design issues (as opposed to call-out issues)
and also can you use the new lead free components in a standard 'lead-full' process ? (thanks for 'lead-full' Ivan)
and what about cleaning under CSPs and BGAs ? is the standard water based OA fluz a problem ? seems like it would be
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