So what are they asking? What have some of the people paid here in the USA or Canada?

The special upgrade price which ends 31 Dec was about $2995USD for the full package, and $2495USD for PCB without FPGA. You should have called your local sales office to get it in writing.


As for features, yes there are a number of features that look interesting, but the bottom line is:

1) Do they actually work?  When will the 3rd service pack be available?

The majority work exceptionally well - a few need to have the wrinkles ironed out. There probably won't be a 3rd service pack as you have come to know service packs. AD6 has an automated web update capability which allows smaller, more frequent patches - sort of like Microsoft does with Windows.


2) Do they actually improve productivity?

Whether or not the new features improve productivity is dependent on the user. You should watch the videos available on the Altium web site and make the decision for yourself. The new video demos show the software in actual operation by the developers that wrote the software. What you will see on the videos actually exists in the finished product.

If you do simple boards of only a few layers, you probably don't need all of the enhancements. If you do the sorts of boards I do, with 478 ball BGA's, lots of differential pairs, 16-20 layers, lots of manual interactive routing, etc - I believe you'll find the new capabilities take a lot of the load off.

Are there bugs? - Sure there are. Have you ever had a brand new car that didn't have things that needed fixing? We're talking about a piece of software with millions of lines of code that occupies about 6.5GB on the hard drive with a full install. The developers have done a remarkable job of packing in almost everything (within reason) that users have asked for - it's almost too rich in features from my point of view (my antique brain has difficulty remembering all of the tools that are in the box).

As for testing - it would be wonderful if every piece of software could be tested until it was completely free of bugs. I don't think it has ever happened, or ever will happen (Windows, the Mars lander, US Northeast Power Grid, ...). In my view, you test until you get it to a point where the software reliably does its intended function. From there on, you release the product into the world of infinite variations of hardware and operating system configurations that is the user community. Let them tell you that the software crashes every time they use instant messaging while watching a soap opera in a minimized window while downloading an mp3, and routing that 20 layer board. All of that with any one of several thousand combinations of motherboards, processors, ram configurations, video cards, sound cards, network cards, printer drivers, resident background programs, etc, etc, etc.

My point being that you can only test to a reasonable point. Beyond that, you have to depend on user feedback to try and track down the state related glitches.


The first issue needs no explanation. With Altium's history of putting out sparsely tested software, the first release CD is for use as a coaster for putting your soda on the desk. By the time of the third service pack in 6-12 months, the product can actually be tested. This is my experience going back to release 2.0 and I have yet to find any exceptions.

With a cynical outlook like yours, you are probably better off waiting until the product is near end-of-life. You can then be sure you'll get something that has been tested to your satisfaction - of course by that time the rest of us will be using AD7. Personally, I trust Altium (Protel) to do the right thing. Nick Martin has always taken care of those who bought his product. When you try to stay cutting edge instead of stagnating like PADS, Orcad, and others in the EDA world, you're going to stumble occasionally. For example, Protel99 was a major change from Protel98 - it bombed. We got 99SE free, and it steadily improved and expanded. DXP was a major change from 99SE - it bombed. We got AD free, and it steadily improved and expanded. The difference this time is that AD6 builds on AD2004, so it has a proven core and runs on the same operating systems as DXP-AD2004.

The second issue is extremely important. I go back to the global edits as an example. The new system is far more powerful than the 99SE style system and allows you to do things that were simply not possible the old way. But in the process, it makes the simple everyday tasks slower (requiring more keystrokes/clicks and use of keyboard plus mouse in many cases), reducing the overall productivity. As a result, the new way, while "better" in a marketing brochure actually reduces productivity and hence is worse in real life.

As you seem to be, I resisted FSO when I first got DXP - I liked the old way of doing global edits. After using the inspector and list panels for a while, I find I can do global edits as fast or faster than I could before. I can also do a heck of a lot more that I ever could with the old simplistic editing in Protel99SE. The end result is I'm more productive that I was with earlier versions (fast + more = better productivity). In my view, productivity has more to do with the skill of the operator than with the particular tool you are using (I once knew a guy that could non-destructively disassemble a feed pump using only a small ballpeen hammer). I've gotten more skillful at using the tools in AD, so my productivity has vastly improved. Its a good thing too, because the boards I need to design keep getting denser and more complicated as technology advances.

You can learn how to drive a car (which is more complicated than riding a horse), or you can keep riding your horse. The car has more controls than the horse, but it gets you there faster with less pain in your backside.

So what have people's first hand experience been like?

I put my horse out to pasture.  I like AD6.

Harry


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