Ok, my method of re-cleaning no-clean flux....

Use an electronic sonic tooth-brush going through a flux-cleaning solvent 
cycle, then, windex cycle, then, hot water cycle, then back to windex. 
Windex was chosen since it completely evapourates & take any water with it.

This was the only way I could completely remove any electrical effect left 
by the no-clean flux.

Note that I was measuring effect in the micro-amp & nano-amp regions where 
battery powered circuits, eg-32Khz oscilators, super-low powered radio 
recievers, have a measurable effect.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] "No-clean" flux leakage, was: (500V power supply)


> Doesn't that imply a basic flaw in the system, ie, that there is no
> clear method of removal? I'm gbuesssing that the "solution" (hahahha)
> is out there, it's just a mtter of getting someone to fess up and
> publish their method.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Guralnick
>>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:01 PM
>>To: Protel EDA Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] "No-clean" flux leakage, was: (500V power supply)
>>
>>> And a bit of hard won experience. Avoid "no-clean" flux, it
>>will leak
>>> at high humidity. It is only to be used at less than 100 V.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Paul
>>>
>>
>>I've measured no-clean flux leakage variance with voltages as
>>low as 2v.  It was a regulated supply for a battery powered
>>project & the no-clean flux was conducting a number of
>>pico-amps which varied from day-day.  I was only able to solve
>>the problem after "massive" number of cleaning & scrubbing cycles.
>>Even with visual analysis with a microscope, you could not
>>tell the difference before & after the cleaning, and yet,
>>there was a significant measureable difference in effect.
>>
>>
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>>Vergent Technologies Inc.
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>>Quebec, Canada
>>H9G 2S6
>>(514) 624-4003
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Paul Heilman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "Protel EDA Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>
>>
>>> And a bit of hard won experience. Avoid "no-clean" flux, it
>>will leak at
>>> high humidity. It is only to be used at less than 100 V.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Paul
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:11 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>>
>>> Oh, come on...Electrical leakage is leakage Brad. Creepage
>>is a "cute"
>>> term meant to apply specifically to surface leakage, but it's all
>>> leakage, as in electrical current flowing unexpectedly through a
>>> dielectric medium. (call it over if you like, it's still "thru" to my
>>> physics eye.) That's one of the novel things that the IPC
>>brings to the
>>> table. Redefinition of basic physics into terms that can suit the
>>> purposes of obsfucation...and of course profit by
>>intellectual ownership
>>> of originally US-citizen-owned information.
>>>
>>> For instance, when I designed an instrument for KLM a couple
>>years ago
>>> to (amongst other things) measure LEAKAGE from pin to pin on a
>>> connector, the mode of transport under consideration was not leakage
>>> across the air gap, but through the dielectric separating
>>the contacts.
>>>
>>> It's my policy to leave the cute to the IPC, Altium's marketing
>>> Goo-Roos, and the cabal of "shhhhh...don't tell anyone its
>>just water".
>>>
>>> And yes, DC or AC, the critical value is the peak value. All
>>AC is DC if
>>> time passes slowly enough, and most DC is AC if you speed the clock a
>>> bit. Peak values Carlos. That means not only what you
>>expect, but what
>>> might be. (Hence the engineering margins I spoke of earlier)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> aj
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Velander
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:37 PM
>>>>To: Protel EDA Discussion List
>>>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe I have seen anyone else point out that the
>>> spacing
>>>>requirements are typically specified for DC (RMS).
>>>>Any AC, pulses or spikes have to be suitably considered at
>>their "peak"
>>>
>>>>values. That 'typically' bumps you up at least one voltage
>>>>rating/spacing category.
>>>>
>>>> I would say that you really need to read IPC-2221 section 6.3,
>>> as a
>>>>minimum.
>>>>
>>>> Besides that there is a lot of other information from safety
>>>>regulators like UL/CSA/EU/TUV, more specifically towards
>>product safety
>>>
>>>>and power supply design. With the safety regulators it typically gets
>>>>even more complex because they start taking into account
>>environmental
>>>>pollutants (humidity, dust or other particles which can
>>compromise the
>>>>spacing) and applying pollutant/environment categories.
>>Andrew mentions
>>>
>>>>"leakage" and leakage has two forms. Leakage is typically through air
>>>>or an air gap, "creepage" is across surfaces and is equally important
>>>>in most cases.
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>Brad Velander
>>>>Senior PCB Designer
>>>>Northern Airborne Technology
>>>>#14 - 1925 Kirschner Road,
>>>>Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7.
>>>>tel (250) 763-2232 ext. 225
>>>>fax (250) 762-3374
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:15 PM
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Subject: Re: [PEDA] 500V power supply
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Exactly. Be careful that you don't think "ideally". Think instead
>>>>cautiously. Cautious is wider spacing. Do not go under, as
>>you will not
>>>
>>>>necessarily see any immediate problem, even though there may
>>very well
>>>>be a major problem. (leakage)
>>>>
>>>>
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