"Entropy is an index of the second law's predictions about energy," http://buff.ly/1qmoLp2
*@stephencrose <https://twitter.com/stephencrose>* On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Jerry LR Chandler <[email protected] > wrote: > Soren, List: > > Does the concept of heat embody the concept of form? If so, how? > > Entropy, as a component of the logic of thermodynamics, lacks form. > > What gives entropy form? > > Cheers > > jerry > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Søren Brier wrote: > > > Dear Evgenii and list > > > > That fact is - as Schrödinger and Prigogine points out - that more and > more complicated self-organized systems develop feeding on the general > growth of entropy in the universe. These systems order more and more of > their surroundings in order to support and prolong their own existence. We > are already influencing the whole of our planet and is beginning to explore > other planets in the solar system in order to use them for our own purpose. > So, Peirce is right that our rationality is influencing the universe. Who > can say if order or chaos will win in the end? > > > > Best > > Søren > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: Evgenii Rudnyi [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sendt: 28. juni 2014 09:44 > > Til: [email protected] > > Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics > > > > There is a nice historical book > > > > Helge Kragh, Entropic Creation: Religious Contexts of Thermodynamics and > Cosmology, 2008 > > > > where the author discusses the heat death debates in 1850-1920. Peirce > is mentioned there and a quote from the book is below. > > > > p. 187-188 "In 1891 he [Peirce] described his hypothesis as follows: > > > > 'The state of things in the infinite past is chaos ... the nothingness > of which consists in the total absence of regularity. The state of things > in the infinite future is death, the nothingness of which consists in the > complete triumph of law and absence of all spontaneity. > > Between these, we have on our side a state of things in which there is > some absolute spontaneity counter to all law, and some degree of conformity > to law, ...' > > > > This picture, starting from chaos and ending in an ordered and > symmetrical system, turns the ordinary interpretation of the second law on > its head. Some years earlier, in a 1884 lecture on 'Design and Chance', he > declared that the heat death - in which 'there shall be no force but heat > and the temperature everywhere the same' - was unavoidable. Confusingly, > the next year he rejected the global heat death scenario, retracting to a > position similar to that of many other evolutionary progressivists of the > Victorian era: 'But, on the other hand, we may take it as certain that > other intellectual races exist on other planets, - if not of our solar > system, then of others; and also that innumerable new intellectual races > have yet to be developed; so that on the whole, it may be regarded as most > certain that intellectual life in the universe will never finally cease.' > Perhaps he thought, such as he said in his 'Design and Chance', that the > living universe would be saved by what he called 'chance', an influence he > considered to be opposite to dissipative forces, of what some later authors > referred to as 'entropy'." > > > > Evgenii > > -- > > http://blog.rudnyi.ru > > > > On 27.06.2014 17:15 Stephen C. Rose said the following: > >> How fixed is the scientific argument for this law? Certainly in this > >> century there have been some who have chipped away at the idea of > >> entropy as a fixed star in an otherwise fallible (subject to > >> revision) scientific universe. And I am unaware of where Peirce stood > >> on this matter. Were his notions of continuity and logic uneasy in the > >> shadow of the assertion that everything falls apart? > >> > >> *@stephencrose <https://twitter.com/stephencrose>* > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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