Clark wrote:

"Thus we’re left asking why they world seems               (070614-1)
so mathematical. However if we recognize the
world as a system under semiosis - a system in
dialog - then rather than being mysterious we
see it as natural."

What if there exists a regularity in this Universe that is manifest in
mathematics, physics, biology, linguistics, and semiotics and this
regualrity is the IRREDUCIBLE TRIADICITY of Peirce ?   Would we be
justified to call it the Ultimate Principle of Nature (UPN)?  This idea
was motivated by my previous emails on what I elected to call the
Burgin-Peirce syllogism.

With all the best.

Sung
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Sungchul Ji, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy
Rutgers University
Piscataway, N.J. 08855
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> (My apologies if these came through more than once. I’d sent them from the
> wrong email address and despite resending them didn’t see them appear in
> my feed)
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You're mixing apples and oranges, using the word 'sign' equivocally.
>> Saussure's 'sign' is not Peirce's 'sign' or even Peirce's 'symbol';
>> Saussure's 'sign' is Peirce's 'linguistic symbol'.
>
> Even there Saussure has limits that Peirce would never countenance. It’s
> best to just not conflate the two. Peirce just thinks so differently that
> even where you find similarity it’s easy to be mislead by the similarity.
>
> I’m trying to recall a really good overview of this. I think Eco has a few
> places he goes through differences, although I’m not always happy with
> some of Eco’s presentations of semiotics. However I *think* he does relate
> Peirce to other thinkers in his chapter on “Symbol” in Semiotics and the
> Philosophy of Language. It’s been 15 years since I read it last though,
> and my memory was that he makes errors in various places in it.
>
> This appears to get at certain other aspects of the comparison
>
> http://www.indiana.edu/~slavicgf/e103/assignments/Chandler_ch1_pt2.pdf
>
> I’ve only glanced through it quickly, but it seems like the author is very
> good about noting certain inconsistencies of terminological use by both
> Saussure and Peirce which can waylay those not as experienced with each.
> The author also notes that Peirce’s dialogical thinking is missing from
> Saussure. I should also note it tends to be missing even from a lot of
> contemporary philosophy of language - leading to various types of error.
> Thus the problems with say Searle’s approach to systematize Austin’s
> speech acts.
>
> Going back to Sungchul’s point, I think this is important when considering
> mathematics and physics. Consider Peirce’s “Prolegomena to an Apology for
> Pragmaticism”
>
> Thought is not necessarily connected with a brain. It appears in the work
> of bees, of crystals, and throughout the purely physical world; and one
> can no more deny that it is really there, than that the colors, the
> shapes, etc., of objects are really there. Consistently adhere to that
> unwarrantable denial, and you will be driven to some form of idealistic
> nominalism akin to Fichte's. Not only is thought in the organic world, but
> it develops there. But as there cannot be a General without Instances
> embodying it, so there cannot be thought without Signs. We must here give
> "Sign" a very wide sense, no doubt, but not too wide a sense to come
> within our definition. Admitting that connected Signs must have a
> Quasi-mind, it may further be declared that there can be no isolated sign.
> Moreover, signs require at least two Quasi-minds; a Quasi-utterer and a
> Quasi-interpreter; and although these two are at one (i.e., are one mind)
> in the sign itself, they must nevertheless be distinct. In the Sign they
> are, so to say, welded. Accordingly, it is not merely a fact of human
> Psychology, but a necessity of Logic, that every logical evolution of
> thought should be dialogic. You may say that all this is loose talk; and I
> admit that, as it stands, it has a large infusion of arbitrariness. It
> might be filled out with argument so as to remove the greater part of this
> fault; but in the first place, such an expansion would require a volume -
> and an uninviting one; and in the second place, what I have been saying is
> only to be applied to a slight determination of our system of
> diagrammatization, which it will only slightly affect; so that, should it
> be incorrect, the utmost certain effect will be a danger that our system
> may not represent every variety of non-human thought. (CP 4.551)
>
> The place of a quasi-mind seems rather pertinent in understanding the
> surprising relationship between say physics and mathematics. Again, I
> suspect Peirce’s ontology is the most controversial part of his thought.
> Most philosophers are rather disparaging to it. However it does make such
> matters rather understandable. Even if one treats these only as virtual I
> think it renders certain mysterious matters rather intelligible. Without
> dialogical thinking so much about semiotics becomes mysterious. Thus we’re
> left asking why they world seems so mathematical. However if we recognize
> the world as a system under semiosis - a system in dialog - then rather
> than being mysterious we see it as natural.
>
>
>
>


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