Gary,

That last sentence was about sign relations. The first part was about torrid 
entity (<-- good one, Autospellbot) teridentity.  Two different subjects.

'Night ...

Jon

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> On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:16 AM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Jon, lists, 
> 
> Jon wrote: "When we say the interpretant stands in a relation to the object 
> and the sign stands in a relation to the object and that those two relations 
> are the same, then the relation we are talking about is simply the triadic 
> sign relation in question."
> 
> I might tend to agree with this except for your writing that teridentity is 
> "simply the triadic sign relation in question" (emphasis added). It seems to 
> me that there is much more to say about teridenity in consideration of 
> semiotis than you have suggested in your message. For example, Helmut Pape 
> extends the idea of teridentity within a tri-categorial, specifically 
> semiotic context in this article in the anthology, The Rule of Reason. See 
> these passages in particular:
> 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=SKnhycytpCsC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=teridentity+peirce&source=bl&ots=3sqWTk1JED&sig=8wFQsZm1FieEKIqMSkTHWGkYeBs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-8IVVO_-D5f-yQSKx4DQBg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=teridentity%20peirce&f=false
> 
> As I see it, and as seemed to be the conclusion of at least some of the 
> participants in a discussion of teridentity on peirce-l about a dozen years 
> or so ago, there is nothing "simple" about teridentity in consideration of 
> semiosis, because the 'triadic' relation also involves a categorial 
> 'trichotomic' (as Peirce uses that term from at least the time of such 
> articles as "One, Two, Three," "TRICHOTOMIC," and "A Guess at the Riddle"). 
> In a word, it is my understanding that Peirce does not reduce a genuine 
> trichotomic relation to a mere triadic relationship in the mathematical sense.
> 
> For this reason I cannot agree that in the context of genuine tri-categorial 
> relations (such as o-s-i) that a teridentity relation is merely the triadic 
> extension of an identity relation (the Peirce quotes in Pape's article are 
> especially illuminating in this regard). Principally, such an abstract 
> reduction would seem to minimize the teleological tendency of semiosis. 
> 
> But perhaps I have misunderstood you.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> Gary Richmond
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>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Jon Awbrey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Re: Gary Richmond
>> At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14086
>> 
>> Gary,
>> 
>> A teridentity relation is the triadic extension of a simple identity 
>> relation.
>> 
>> For example, suppose our object domain is the set O = {0, 1, 2, 3, 4}.
>> 
>> The identity relation on O is the following set of ordered pairs:
>> 
>> • {(0,0), (1,1), (2,2), (3,3), (4,4)}
>> 
>> Alternatively, the aggregate may be written in the style Peirce used early 
>> on:
>> 
>> • 0:0 + 1:1 + 2:2 + 3:3 + 4:4
>> 
>> The teridentity relation on O is the following set of ordered triples:
>> 
>> • {(0,0,0), (1,1,1), (2,2,2), (3,3,3), (4,4,4)}
>> 
>> Alternatively:
>> 
>> • 0:0:0 + 1:1:1 + 2:2:2 + 3:3:3 + 4:4:4
>> 
>> When we say the interpretant stands in a relation to the object and the sign 
>> stands in a relation to the object and that those two relations are the 
>> same, then the relation we are talking about is simply the triadic sign 
>> relation in question.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> Gary Richmond wrote:
>> > Edwina, John,
>> >
>> > I will, as ever, agree with John in this matter. If, as Peirce says, the
>> > interpretant stands in the *same *relation to the object as the
>> > representamen does, then that 'same' points to what in existential graphs
>> > Peirce calls a relationship of 'teridentity'. For example, he writes:
>> >
>> >  the recognition of the demonstrable logical truth that the concept of
>> > teridentity is not mere identity. It is identity and identity, but this
>> > "and" is a distinct concept, and is  precisely that of teridentity. CSP
>> >
>> > I'm still traveling and, so away from my desk, but as I recall Peirce holds
>> > that this relationship of teridentity holds for all genuine triadic
>> > relations of which o-s-i is certainly one.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> 
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