Jerry, list,

My response to Jerry’s comments follows:

> List, Sung:
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote:
>
>> (2) All processes require dissipating free energy (or energy more
>> briefly). There are two kinds of organizations –  (a) random
organization (e.g., Gaussian distributed word-length frequencies in
German or English
>> dictionaries; gene-length frequency distributions in genomes), and (b)
>> non-random organization (e.g., the word-length frequency distribution in
>> a speech, Figure 1h attached; annual income distributions in the US,
>> Figures 1i and 1j).
>>
>
> In my opinion, this argument is meaningless because it fails to
> distinguish between the source of where the energy was dissipated and the
> location where the energy was converted into another form.  This is of
> fundamental importance in biology.

The meaning of any statements depends on the readers’ background and frame
of mind.  What is meaningless to one many not be so for others.  I hope
this is the case here. In a short post such as this, it is not possible to
describe everything and must omit details which average readers are
assumed to be able to provide themselves.

> For example, the sun dissipates energy as light / photons.

This is not a good example of "dissipation of energy" but a case of
converting matter to energy via E = mc^2.  What is dissipated here is a
part of the matter-energy as heat.  In other words, light/photons are not
dissipated energy but free energy, just as ATP in the cell is, which
produces heat upon performing work using its free energy.

>
> A photosynthetic cell captures the light and uses it for constructing new
> cellular components, it gains free energy.

Agreed.

>
> In the physical level of description, both processes can be described as
> random or statistical processes.

Photosynthesis not a random process but directed and non-random, although
the enzymes catalyzing photosynthesis do undergo Brownian motions before
they can perform their synthetic activity utilizing the free energy of
light/photons.  I have published several papers beginning in the 1970’s
proposing one possible molecular mechanism, based on the generalized
Franck-Condon principle [1], by which enzymes may perform work utilizing
ATP energy wherein Brownian motions play essential roles [2, 3,4].

> At the biological level, the initial conditions are such that the cell
> utilizes the energy for growth and reproduction.
>
> This line of argumentation about free energy is neither compelling nor
> pragmatically useful, in my opinion, because the dicisigns originate in
> two different systems, separated in cosmic space.  The meaning of
> thermodynamic changes become propositionally meaningful if and only if
> they are co-located in the same system.

The meaning of these paragraphs are not clear to me.

With all the best.

Sung
___________________________________________________
Sungchul Ji, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy
Rutgers University
Piscataway, N.J. 08855
732-445-4701

www.conformon.net


References:
[1]  Ji, S. (2012). The Franck-Condon Principle (FCP).  In:Molecular
Theory of the Living Cell: Concepts, Molecular Mechanisms, and Biomedical
Applications.  Springer, New York.  pp. 18-24.  PDF at conformon.net under
Publications > Book chapters.
[2] Ji, S. (1974). Energy and Negentropy in Enzymic Catalysis,  Ann. N. Y.
Acad. Sci. 227, 419-437.
  [3]  Ji, S. (1974). A General Theory of ATP Synthesis and Utilization,
Ann. N. Y. Acad.
Sci. 227, 211-226.
   [4] Ji, S. (2000).  Free energy and Information Contents of Conformons
in proteins and  DNA, BioSystems 54, 107-130.


> List, Sung:
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote:
>
>> (2) All processes require dissipating free energy (or energy more
>> briefly).
>> There are two kinds of organizations –  (a) random organization (e.g.,
>> Gaussian distributed word-length frequencies in German or English
>> dictionaries; gene-length frequency distributions in genomes), and (b)
>> non-random organization (e.g., the word-length frequency distribution in
>> a
>> speech, Figure 1h attached; annual income distributions in the US,
>> Figures
>> 1i and 1j).
>>
>
> In my opinion, this argument is meaningless because it fails to
> distinguish between the source of where the energy was dissipated and the
> location where the energy was converted into another form.  This is of
> fundamental importance in biology.
>
> For example, the sun dissipates energy as light / photons.
>
> A photosynthetic cell captures the light and uses it for constructing new
> cellular components, it gains free energy.
>
> In the physical level of description, both processes can be described as
> random or statistical processes.
>
> At the biological level, the initial conditions are such that the cell
> utilizes the energy for growth and reproduction.
>
> This line of argumentation about free energy is neither compelling nor
> pragmatically useful, in my opinion, because the dicisigns originate in
> two different systems, separated in cosmic space.  The meaning of
> thermodynamic changes become propositionally meaningful if and only if
> they are co-located in the same system.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jerry
>
>


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