Howard wrote:

It has been over 140 years since Maxwell's semiotic demon began
confusing physicists, but by now it is a well-established principle
that any semiotic system insofar as it is interpreted as bearing
information is indeterminable by laws; and conversely, any system
insofar as it is completely determined by laws does not involve
semiosis. The only other restriction on semiotic information is that
its use cannot violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Edwina: I'm aware that Howard wrote this to support his own rejection of semiosis within the physico-chemical realm, but as a supporter of pansemiosis, I'm going to disagree. Essentially, this analysis of Howard's also applies to machines, but, although a machine operates completely in itself within Secondness, i.e., as a Dicent Sinsign (2-2-2), nevertheless, following the principle of 'communal informational processing', that machine relies on the agency of the human who built and operates and uses/interprets this machine.

To consider that semiosis only exists when the Interpretant is open to other influence, and to more interpretations, i.e., that it operates in a mode of Firstness - and six of the ten semiosic classes do just that - is, in my view, an inadequate view of the full nature of semiosis. The vital power of the Interpretant being open to interpretation, i.e., to being in a mode of Firstness, cannot be underemphasized. BUT, the stability of information processing provided by an Interpretant in a mode of Secondness (as are all three of the Dicents) is equally vital. Plus that mode of Secondness is always local in context - and that is equally vital to the production of instances in all three realms of semiosis. So, an Interpretant in a mode of Secondness, which has no capacity to change in itself - is indeed a semiosis action.

We know that a law, a formal system, can never be fully articulated (Godel), but even if the instances of that law are stable and have little capacity to vary from the perimeters of that law, they still follow the triadic nature of the Sign: Object-Representamen-Interpretant.

Semiosis in my view is not simply about openness to interpretation; it is about the 'manufacturing' and processing of matter-as-information. That functions in all three realms: the physico-chemical, the biological, the socio-conceptual.

Edwina




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