I don't agree that Peirce says this; in fact, Peirce says the opposite - that genuine sign relations are found in all existential reality and that includes crystals etc...

I've given this quote many times:

"Thought is not necessarily connected with a brain. It appears in the work of bees, of crystals, and throughout the purely physical world"...4.551 (Apology for Pragmaticism 1906)...and " there cannot be thought without Signs". Therefore, since thought appears in 'the work of crystals and throughout the purely physical world'...and since 'there cannot be thought without signs'...therefore, there is genuine semiosis in non-living (ie what we know as biological) systems.

Edwina
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At 09:02 PM 1/25/2015, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote:

While he [Peirce] does explore this idea in places, he suggests elsewhere that can't find any clear examples of genuine sign relations outside of living or intelligent systems.

I believe Frederik says this, but where does Peirce say this?

Howard





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