Howard, Cathy, list,

I've been advised off-list that the post of mine below was quite unclear. I was talking, likewise as Howard and indeed Peirce in "Prolegomena" CP 4.569 were http://www.existentialgraphs.com/peirceoneg/prolegomena.htm#Paragraph569 , about how the ordinary-language sense of 'There is some married woman who will commit suicide in case her husband fails in business' seems to differ from that of 'If every married man fails in business some married woman will commit suicide'. I mentioned 'the difference between AND gates and NAND gates', meaning an example that Howard had mentioned in the message to which I was replying. Generally my remarks might be clearer if I had interleaved them with Howard's, but I fear to belabor this.

Best, Ben

On 2/25/2015 9:42 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:

Howard, Cathy, list,

Howard, at first I thought you were making a point that I had made in a previous thread on the subject, when I said that Peirce disbelieved that the seeming meaning of the ordinary language was captured by the formal logic, and I started talking about veiled constants, modal logic, and branching quantifiers, as ways rendering the ordinary-language sense. However, I see that you're onto something different. The difference between AND gates and NAND gates is a good example. This also relates to Peirce's distinction between corollarial and theorematic reasoning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corollary#Peirce_on_corollarial_and_theorematic_reasonings . In a way that certainly seems related, a mathematical deduction's conclusion may be equivalent to, or is at least entailed by, the set of premisses, yet be different in ways that make us call it a nontrivial or surprising result. Then you go on to another idea, that of equisatisfiability, and I followed your link, and went on to Skolemization, but unfortunately I'm just not well-grounded enough in these things to get it, but it certainly looks interesting and to the point.

Best, Ben

On 2/24/2015 8:21 PM, Howard Pattee wrote:

Ben, Catherine and list,

At 04:29 PM 2/24/2015, Catherine Legg wrote:,

I'm confused though about Peirce's big announcement about now being able to give a meaning to graphs which cross a cut.
[snip]
I once tried to prove Peirce's famous two statements about the
suiciding wife and the man who fails in business equivalent in regular FOL, but couldn't do it. Are people sure they're equivalent in FOL, as in the beta graphs?

HP: I'm still not sure. Ben's link to Peirce <http://www.existentialgraphs.com/peirceoneg/prolegomena.htm#Paragraph569> convinced me that the logical equivalences is clear. But on second thought, the natural language statement is not clear. Here is Peirce’s natural language statement: “The logical Principle is that to say that there is some one individual of which one or other of two predicates is true is no more than to say that there either is some individual of which one is true or else there is some individual of which the other is true.”

But notice that Peirce also recognizes the strangeness of the true natural language consequent when he says, “This evidently goes far beyond saying that if every married man fails in business some married woman will commit suicide.”

It seems to me that expression in formal logic and natural language need not be equivalent because their domains (universes of discourse) exist at different levels of abstraction. Bringing live humans and natural language images to illustrate an abstract formal logical principle is confusing two levels of abstraction.

What first bothered me was that at the linguist level Peirce’s two clauses do not appear to be equivalent because his first clause applies only to one individual while his second clause must refer to two or more individuals. (NB. If the second clause were interpreted as referring to only “some one individual” then it would be indistinguishable from the first clause.) In other words, the two clauses have two linguistically different /conceptual models/ even though they are abstractly logically equivalent. For logicians this level of abstraction is fine. For wives who are considering suicide this is too abstract.

Here is an analogy. For many years I taught discrete mathematics for computer scientists. Those were the days when abstract Boolean logic and hardware gates were not separated by as many hierarchical levels of abstraction as they are today, and programmers had to actually do logic in their brains! Now computer programs do most of the formal logic. In teaching, I found it important to always distinguish the several logic levels of abstraction from the several physical levels, otherwise the students were easily confused.

As a simple example, Peirce discovered that two-to-four NAND gates can formally execute any Boolean function. One AND gate can be logically executed by two NAND gates in series. At the formal logic level of abstraction they are equivalent. At the circuit design level of abstraction they are obviously not equivalent. For the logician this equivalence is essential. For the circuit or chip designer the difference is essential.

Incidentally, the first Texas Instruments 4 NAND chips <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7400_series> came out during my teaching years (/ca/ . 1968). I think Peirce would have been fascinated by abstract Turing Theory, but probably irritated by the logically redundant hardware proliferation (See TI 7400 Series <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400_series_integrated_circuits> list)

My thinking is that at the logician’s level of abstraction formal equivalence may be clear, but /at the same time/ the less abstract material view, like computer circuit design, must see it as only a /functional/ equivalence. I think some logicians call this equisatisfiability <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equisatisfiability> – two formal logically equivalent statements that have different conceptual or formal models. I don't know where Peirce discusses levels of abstraction, but he mostly focused on the logic level.

Howard


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