Sorry, Helmut - I've no idea what you are talking about.
I don't think that 'time' is reversed when the ranger thinks about the wolf
having smelled the rabbit before it caught the rabbit. Because one thinks about
what has taken place before -now, doesn't mean that TIME is itself reversed!
Time isn't physically connected to an event.
And I don't know what your reference to the categories implies; I think that
you often have a confused understanding of the categories - but- I won't go
into them.
Edwina
----- Original Message -----
From: Helmut Raulien
To: Edwina Taborsky
Cc: biosemiotics ; PEIRCE-L
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and
philosophy ?
Thank you, Edwina! Sorry for my mistake: When in reality a wolf smells a
rabbit, and then eats it, and a ranger sees the eating wolf and thinks: "The
wolf must have smelled the rabbit", time is virtually reversed somehow, but not
the categories.
Best,
Helmut
"Edwina Taborsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
Helmut - try EP:2, pp 480-481. And the CP, Vol. 8, ..all the parts to Lady
Welby.
See also an interesting article:
http://see.library.utoronto.ca/SEED/Vol6-1/Farias_Queiroz.pdf
Edwina
----- Original Message -----
From: Helmut Raulien
To: Sungchul Ji
Cc: biosemiotics ; PEIRCE-L
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:11 PM
Subject: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and
philosophy ?
Sung,
I am glad, that my post you did not find too inadequate, as I have not yet
read your attachment (with my old computer that cannot read DOCX- So I will go
to the internet-cafe). I am not sure about what I wrote- that reflexion turns
time around (virtually, in the mind), and also provides the possibility that
there is a secondness and thirdness of firstness (in a virtual way or system: A
mind). So now I am asking: Does anybody know about the ten classes of signs in
a semiosis with immediate object (object of the mind)? I sometimes have read,
that Peirce has written about these, and that the ten classes with immediate
object are different. But I havent found the text by Peirce.
All the best,
Helmut
"Sungchul Ji" <[email protected]> wrote:
Helmut,
Thanks for your thought-provoking ideas, and I am glad you brought up
Peirce.
To me, Peirce is connected with the diagram in at least two ways:
(1) Peirce used numbers and matrices in expressing logical statements [14],
which justifies including "semiotics" as a target of Step e in the diagram. (I
would love to hear from Jon what he thinks about this step.) The modified
diagram is attached to this email.
(2) Physics, biology, and philosophy may be viewed as an example of the
irreducible triad of Peirce. If so, the set of physics, biology, and
philosophy may be considered as constituting a category (or a commutative
triangle):
f
Physics -----> Biology
\ |
\ |
\ | g
h \ |
\ |
V V
Philosophy
or, more conveniently,
f g
Physics -------> Biology -------> Philosophy
| ^
| |
|__________________________|
h
Figure A. The postulate that physics, biology, and philosophy constitute
an irreducible triad of Peirce.
The commutative conditions, f x g = h, is thought to be
satisfied in many universes of
discourse.
f = origin of life, evolution (natural processes)
g = origin of mind (mental processes)
h = constraining influence of natural laws; information
flow
One way to express the content of Figure A in words would be:
"Physics determines biology and biology determines philosophy
(062715-1)
in such a way that philosophy becomes consistent with physics."
Statement (062715-1) may not be valid under all circumstances but only
under some carefully prescribed contexts.
All the best.
Sung
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote:
Sung, Lists,
I think, in medieval time it was integrated, because it all was but
abduction (they even burnt witches because of abductive inferment).
Disintegration took place because science invented/explored wishful complete
induction, and deduction. Now, as abduction is firstness, induction secondness,
and deduction thirdness, and Peirce said, that secondness consists of firstness
and secondness of secondness, and thirdness consists of first-, second-, and
thirdness of thirdness, maybe this is the path to reintegration: Eg.
Heisenbergean uncertainty (firstness of thirdness?). Philosophy still is
firstness (guessing) somehow, but has taken a lot of advantage from science and
logic- so, as a reflective science (reflexion-time- reversely)., I would say,
there is secondness and thirdness of firstness- well, virtually
(reflected)-time- reversely. I mean, isnt that so, isnt the reflecting mirror a
spatial 3D- "axis" of reflexion turning around the time flow direction between
reality and (mind-) virtuality? So it is all three modes going to and fro, a
happy family, physics, biology, philosophy reunited.
Best,
Helmut
"Sungchul Ji" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Physics, biology, and philosophy are well established disciplines that
cover a major portion of all human knowledge. The natural question that arises
is
"Are physics, biology, and philosophy related ? If so, how ?"
(062615-1)
My tentative answer to this question is Yes, because I now begin to see
how this challenging task might be accomplished -- along the lines indicated in
the scheme I recently formulated (see attached). The title of the scheme is
"An argument-symbolic-legisign that integrates physics, biology, and
yin-yang philosophy." (062615-2)
The scheme is not yet complete and may contain some illogical elements
which need be identified and corrected. If you have any questions or
suggestions, please let me know.
All the best.
Sung
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Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology
Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy
Rutgers University
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