Dear Edwina:

You have made a number of interesting points. Most of them have been
addressed rather well by Ben Udell. But let me add a few points that I
think will  be helpful to many others on the list.

First, it is important that one read the book or dissertation, rather than
for summarizing its salient points, for one main reason. The book involves
the application of Peirce's theoretical structure of abduction to facts.
Therefore, the book is not the presentation of a theory, whose salient
points can be summarized and presented in bite-size form for others to
critique in theoretical terms and argue over principles, definitions, and
soundness of syllogisms. Rather, in this case, the "devil is in the
details."

In this respect, I think that the work should be of particular interest to
the members of Peirce-L precisely because it involves the messy world of
facts, in other words, it is an experiment of seeing whether certain
theories can actually explain certain facts. It is like the situation when
a scientist claims to have established something by experimental methods;
one must meticulously go over each step of the experiments to see whether
the result holds.

In this respect, Eco and Sebeok's *The Sign of Three *is very
instructive.They wrote that book because their studies of Peirce had
introduced them to several other scholars who noted the presence of
Peirce's adductive logic in the stories of Edgar Allan Poe and Arthur Conan
Doyle. They therefore set out to show how this form of logic pervades the
work of these two giants of the detective story genre. In that case, in
order to see if their premise holds, one must not only read Eco and
Sebeok's book, but must also be familiar with the works of Poe and Doyle. A
lot of work.

Second, I don't think that I am making more of a mystery of Hitler than is
warranted. Almost every major historian has shouted out that the facts of
Hitler so far constitute a major mystery. That was the thesis  of Ron
Rosenbaum' book, *Explaining Hitler*, which he boldly states: "Hitler has
escaped explanation."

I set out to deal with one part of the Hitler mystery, specifically, what
there was about him that enabled him to succeed. It seemed that simply to
say he was lucky is not an explanation. First because he was the most
unlikely of people to have any success in politics. He was a high school
dropout, a denizen of the poor houses of Vienna, had shown no signs of
leadership through four years of war in which any sign of leadership was
sought to replace the high mortality of line officers. More importantly,
however, one must keep in mind that he was not a citizen, and could neither
vote nor hold office.

Finally, he built up his political movement from scratch not once, but
twice.He took the tiny DAP from a *stammtisch* organization and built it
into the largest force in Bavaria in four years. Then came the Putsch, and
he was imprisoned, the party declared illegal and all its assets seized,
and he was convicted of treason. No one believed that he could be any
further trouble. But he said he could be back on top in a few years, and
within five years after he was released, he was the leader of the second
largest party in Germany. To say it was luck alone is to believe that
lightning strikes twice in the same place....

This brings up another fact that is disconcerting. Many people believe that
Hitler succeeded because of his oratory. But he built up his party the
second time under a complete ban on public speaking, effectively from
November 1923 till spring of 1927 in Bavaria, and until 1928 throughout the
rest of Germany,during which he gave only one public speech in February
1925, which is the speech that got him banned again from public speaking.
Yet his party grew by leaps and bounds during this period from a party of
one, to 49,000 dues-paying members in 1927, and to 78,000 members and
almost 3 percent of the vote in 1928. This calls out for explanation.

(Understand that in Germany at this time, one did not register for a party
as we do in the US when one registers to vote. Every German was
automatically registered, but one had to actually go to Party headquarters
to join, and that meant paying dues and being required to perform
organizing services. So, building an army of 49,000 dues-paying, hard
working election organizers in two years was no small thing. My point it
that this was done when Hitler was forbidden to give public speeches, so it
cannot  be because of his oratory.)

Well, my point is that this process has not been explained. My book offers
to provide at least one part of an explanation.

Again, I agree with you that this is different from the usual discussion on
Pierce-L where abstract issues can be discussed. My original announcement
was simply that there was now a book trying to apply Peirce's theory of
abduction to an historical event, with the idea that people on the list
might be interested to know that. Of course, I hoped that someone would
actually  read it and critique it. But if you choose not to read it, that
is a fair choice.

Thanks for responding,

Ben




















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On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Tom, yes, this is the kind of thing where I speak of rephrasing. Fresh
> from a first reading of 3/4 of the thesis, my impression was that Ben N.
> was attributing more originality to Hitler than seems established. Still I
> think Ben N. is on to something. Mainstream German politicians were
> offering practical programs, while Hitler was offering a Big Explanation of
> Everything and avoiding proposing solutions to particular problems.
>
> Best, Ben U.
>
> On 7/9/2015 11:15 PM, Ozzie wrote:
>
> Ben ~
>
> Thanks for your helpful summary ("Ben N. is saying that Hitler was the
> first leader to invite the public to follow a pattern of abductive
> inference like in a detective story ...")
>
> Both for sport and to attain positions of leadership, Greek orators at the
> time of the Peloponnesian Wars invited the general public to form, accept
> and act on abducted hypotheses. The logical tales spun by Hitler were based
> upon resentment, which places him among the demagogues.
>
> Regards -
>
> Tom Wyrick
>
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
>
> Edwina, Ben N., list,
>
> I've been reading the online version of Ben N.'s thesis. I found that I
> could not save it to my computer without first opening it online, and in
> order to save it computer, one has to move one's mouse over some buttons in
> the upper right-hand corner of the view pane till a little tool tip says
> "Download".  I'm convinced that visual design of computer programs these
> days is largely done by sadists.
>
> Anyway, I've been reading it, it's two PDFs, and I'm half-way through the
> second one. It really is very readable, and that involvement of Hitler does
> add a certain electric current to the discussion of abductive inference.
> It's not a labor to read, and it's quite interesting. There are a number of
> technical errors (as Ben N. warns) evident to a Peirce scholar, but these
> can be corrected without damaging the thesis.
>
> In response to Edwina, I'd say that Ben N. does not present Hitler's rise
> as having a magical or mystical element, rather a mysterious element that
> requires explanation. He makes a case that many scholars think that there
> are some very difficult questions as to who Hitler was and how did he get
> so far. I'm no historian and hadn't read a book on Hitler since I was a
> teenager. So far, I'd say that the case is not made clear enough to the
> general reader that Hitler didn't just get lucky in the sense that some
> party had to come out on top or, in the classic formulation, "somebody has
> to be the king of France." Ben N. outlines some argument that luck wasn't
> such a big part of it, but it's not clear to me yet. On the other hand, I
> don't think that Ben N. is relying on a "Great Men" theory of history - he
> says that Hitler might have made very little difference in other times and
> circumstances.
>
> Insofar as everybody uses abductive inference, Ben N. perhaps doesn't
> bring out clearly enough the difference between Hitler's use of it and
> others' use of it, instead he talks about how Hitler was the first leader
> to use it. I think I know what Ben N. is getting at, but I'd phrase it more
> carefully. Ben N. is saying that Hitler was the first leader to invite the
> public to follow a pattern of abductive inference like in a detective story
> (Who Murdered Germany?), and that Hitler relied for credibility on the
> justificatory plausibility and complex cohesion of an untested hypothesis
> that would take a long time to verify. Well, there's more to it, which it
> would be foolish of me to try to summarize. I'd ask, is Ben N. so sure that
> Hitler was the first such leader? Many other regimes have 'explanations'
> that they give to their people, sometimes involving the idea of hidden
> forces behind events.
>
> Anyway, I'm enjoying reading it. One can certainly say that Ben Novak has
> made a serious effort, deserving of more attention than what some rather
> pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey stuff has received occasionally on peirce-l.
>
> Best, Ben
>
> On 7/9/2015 7:12 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
>
> Ben, I'm going to disagree with your view that in order to discuss the
> basic issue of your book, namely, your attempt to correlate the rise of
> Hitler with abductive logic - that it requires that we either buy your book
> or read it.
>
> I think that on a Peirce-list, the members ought to have a reasonable
> reading knowledge of Peirce's works, but I don't think that a research
> topic dealt with by a member requires that members of this list read that
> member's work. My view is that it is incumbent on YOU, to provide members
> with a reasonably thorough precis of the salient points of your argument.
>
>  With regard to the points you have so far provided, my concern is that
> you seem to be trying to imbue Hitler's rise to power with some 'magical'
> or mystical element.
>
> For example, you claim that when his party took power, German politics
> consisted of 28 parties - why was Hitler's dominant? In Canada, at the
> federal level, there are 26 political parties - and there is nothing
> particularly magical or surprising that only three are dominant. There are
> about 30 minor political parties in the US. Only two-three are dominant.
>
> Second, my concern is your method of explaining this history. You seem to
> be using what is known as the 'Great Man Theory' of historical analysis,
> which examines history by focusing on the charisma or whatever of some
> singular causal individual. I consider this a weak analytic frame; I prefer
> the 'long duree' framework of the 'Annales' school (eg, Braudel), which
> considers infrastructural causality such as the population size, economic
> mode, technological capacity, trade relations etc...rather than individuals.
>
> As for fascism, it is an ideology of the mind, i.e., it is not rooted in
> pragmatic reality but in a notion of utopian purity of the past, such that
> 'if only we returned to that pure mode', then, all would be well. It is now
> rampant in the Al Qaeda (from the 19th c!) and ISIS of the MENA. There are,
> I maintain, population and economic reasons for the refusal of these
> populations and governments to deal with the pragmatic problems of the area
> and the  resultant retreat into fascism.
>
> Same with Germany of the 1930s. And, once an infrastructure is set up,
> e,g, National Socialism's Third Reich, it is extremely difficult to move
> out of the rhetoric and back down to hard reality. That requires an
> external intervention. Certainly, internally, some tried to stop Hitler -
>
> As for Hitler being logical - what??? I think some examples would be
> helpful. His behaviour around Stalingrad was hardly logical.
>
> Is the popularity of various cult figures, of wealthy preachers, of  due
> to their being logical? Or for some other reason(s)?
>
> What is abductive about Hitler's 'reasoning'?
>
> Again, my view - and I say it is my view - is that the onus for
> explanation of a topic is not to have readers buy your book or read it
> online, but for you to explain key points to us - and then, explain why you
> align it with Peircean theory.
>
> Edwina
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ben Novak <[email protected]>
> *To:* Stephen Jarosek <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Stephen C. Rose <[email protected]> ; Peirce List
> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic
>
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