On 10/14/15 4:01 PM, sb wrote:
Matt,
the example in the Margolis quote is exactly what i doubt.
>snip<
To use Venns metaphor you used: In my opinion there are other sign
systems which can be used as scaffolding.
Stefan, just a side note. Venn described a broader idea of language than
what is used by most of today's linguists. His "language in the widest
sense" would cover any sign system that fulfills the three functions he
describes below. These functions might be used to define his /language//:/
1. The communication of ideas from one intelligent being to another.
"It's primary object is to communicate ideas from one person to
another, or rather, from one intelligent being to another. To enable
any sign to come under the strict designation of language, we ought
to insist that it shall be deliberately intended to answer this
purpose of communication;"
2. The recording of ideas for ourselves and for others. Writing.
3. The acquisition of ideas, by aiding the processes of synthesis and
analysis.
"[W]ithout some such system of symbols as that which we call
language in the widest sense, all power of acquiring or retaining
ideas would be lost."
"'Language is not the dress but the incarnation of thought.'" [Here
Venn quoted a common saying.]
Quotes are from The Principles of Empirical or Inductive Logic.
Matt
Am 13. Oktober 2015 02:35:13 MESZ, schrieb Matt Faunce
<[email protected]>:
Hi Stefan,
Regarding /language/, I think the crux of the debate is whether
thinking in images and diagrams presupposes linguistic competence,
as Joseph Margolis says in The Unraveling of Scientism, pg. 22:
"Thinking is an activity we engage in deliberately; and where
we do, we do so linguistically or (as I would add) "lingually"
(as in composing at the piano or choreographing a dance, which
presupposes linguistic competence but is not itself an
exercise of speech)."
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