Jon - I am using Peirce's term of triadic relations. See his Division of Sign, eg, 2.233 and all through that section. He uses the term of 'trichotomy' referring to whether the triadic relations are divisible by the three model categories. See. 2.238.
I disagree with your view that my model sees them as dyadic relations. A dyadic relation can only be between two existential entities, and 'my model', as you refer to it, does not see the Representamen-Object interaction as between two existential entities. Same with the R-Interpretant, or R-R....these are NOT dyadic relations. See note to 2.239, which specifically says that a dyadic relation requires that both its correlates are existents. 2.283. I've explained this repeatedly to you before.... 'My model' as you refer to it [suggesting that it is not also that of Peirce??] does not view the Object as an object until it is in a triadic semiosic relation. Same with the Representamen and Interpretant. And as i've said, a triad of O-R-I can have that Interpretant functioning at the same time as an Object Relation in another triad. That's part of the Peircean networking. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Alan Schmidt To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Peirce List Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Possible Article of Interest - CSP's "Mindset" from AI perspective Edwina, List: Is it right to say that the nine terms in Peirce's three trichotomies are "triadic relations"? It seems to me that even in your model, they correspond to dyadic relations--the Representamen with itself, with its Object, and with its Interpretant. There is only one triadic relation in a given Sign, and it is not reducible to these three dyadic relations. In that sense, it is the ten Sign classifications--rather than the nine terms in three trichotomies--that characterize the triadic relation; i.e., a Qualisign has a different triadic relation than a Rhematic Indexical Legisign, which has a different triadic relation than an Argument, etc. On the other hand, in Peirce's later ten-trichotomy scheme, there is a specific division "According to the Triadic Relation of the Sign to its Dynamical Object and to its Normal Interpretant" (CP 8.344; 1908), which is associated with "the Nature of the Assurance of the Utterance: assurance of Instinct; assurance of Experience; assurance of Form" (CP 8.374; 1908). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: Mike - I think you are not alone in not understanding Jerry's post. His comments on the 9 semiosic relations, which are triadic relations and not triads, was in my view, bizarre and had nothing to do with Peirce's analysis of their nature. With regard to your comment below on names, which are symbols - since human thought is primarily via symbols - then, in a way, such symbols are the 'instantiation' of the thought. I'm not sure what you mean by 'necessary signs'..unless you mean the non-symbolic iconic and indexical relations. Edwina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
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