Helmut, List,
To be even more clear, I think we have to understand Peirce as saying
that we have no *true* conception of an inconceivable thing in itself,
since we clearly have all sorts of conceptions that ostend to be such,
it's just that all of them are false.
By the same light, and more pertinent to some of our recent discussions,
I would add that we have no *true* conception of all conceivable things
and thus no *true* conception of all possible universes.
Regards,
Jon
On 12/18/2017 10:58 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
Helmut,
Re: “on one hand there is no thing in itself anyway, so they say”
To be clear, Peirce for one does not say this, he says only
that we have no conception of an inconceivable thing itself.
Regards,
Jon
On 12/15/2017 2:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
Thank you too, Jon. I think the fallacious point of the naturalistic fallacy is
that you cannot conclude from "good for humans and other creatures", which can
be inferred to from phenomena and interpreting them, to "good in itself". But I
think this last breaking point is quite small, and the faith required for
stepping over it is not difficult to get and maintain, I think, because on one
hand there is no thing in itself anyway, so they say, and on the other there are
hints that "good" and "bad" are based on pure reason, e.g. the categorical
imperative, and on the third hand, observation of the universe does not deliver
clues of gnostic separation, like the earth or the human realm would be outcast
from the divine realm, or something like that. The whole title from Kohlbergs
paper is: "From is to ought, how to commit the naturalistic fallacy and get away
with it". I don't know how to get this paper, or in which book it is, but I am
sure that it is good (for humans and other creatures), because at other places
Kohlberg´s points are so too.
Best,
Helmut
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