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http://blog.uvm.edu/aivakhiv/2010/05/12/between-whitehead-peirce/

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On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]>
wrote:

> John, Edwina, list,
>
> I've nothing to add at the moment,  I too completely agree with the thrust
> of John's post. Let's hope that some of those untranscribed manuscripts
> will one day yield more relevant material on this topic.
>
> In reading Whitehead years ago I too noted many similarities to Peirce's
> thinking. Has there been any work (articles, dissertations, etc.) comparing
> the thinking of the two? As I recall, John, some of your papers touch on
> this. But I'm wondering if there has been any more extensive work in this
> area?
>
> Best,
>
> Gary R
>
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> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> John, list
>>
>> Thank you so much for your perceptive and articulate post. Of course - I
>> strongly agree.
>>
>> And I emphasize that semiosis is operative not merely in the more complex
>> or larger-brain animals, but in all matter, from the smallest micro
>> bacterium to the plant world to the animal world. And yes, even in the
>> complex adaptive multi-unit systems such as human societies.
>>
>>  I keep saying that 'plants talk to each other' and we are certainly
>> finding out, by research, that they do just that.
>>
>> However, semiosis is not equivalent to communication - a view that many
>> become, I think, entrapped in. My view is that semiosis is morphological;
>> that is, it forms matter ...transforming matter from one finite form to
>> another finite form - within that semiosic triad.
>>
>> And of course, this includes the physico-chemical realm where semiosic
>> transformation also takes place, albeit at a, [thankfully] slower pace
>> - which slow pace maintains the stability of this realm. The biological is
>> a dynamic, active, constantly transformative and thus, is a ' productive of
>> diversity'  realm.
>>
>> Again - thanks so much for your post.
>>
>> Edwina
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat 20/01/18 11:19 AM , John F Sowa [email protected] sent:
>>
>> Edwina and Gary R,
>>
>> I changed the subject line to biosemiosis in order to emphasize that
>> Peirce had intended semiosis to cover the full realm of all living
>> things. Note what he wrote in a letter to Lady Welby:
>>
>> CSP, MS 463 (1908)
>> > I define a Sign as anything which is so determined by something else,
>> > called its Object, and so determines an effect upon a person, which
>> > effect I call its Interpretant, that the latter is thereby mediately
>> > determined by the former. My insertion of “upon a person” is a sop
>> > to Cerberus, because I despair of making my own broader conception
>> > understood.
>>
>> I believe that "despair" is the primary reason why he didn't say more.
>> His insistence on continuity implied that the faculties of the human
>> mind must be continuous with the minds (or quasi-minds) of all living
>> things anywhere in the universe. But if he had said that, he would
>> have been denounced by a huge number of critics from philosophy,
>> psychology, science, religion, and politics.
>>
>> Edwina
>> > I do think that limiting Peircean semiosis to the human conceptual
>> > realm is a disservice to Peircean semiosis... I won't repeat my
>> > constant reference to 4.551.
>>
>> Gary
>> > I believe, you've had to depend on CP 4.551 as much as you have
>> > (there are a very few other suggestions scattered through his work,
>> > but none of them are much developed).
>>
>> The reason why there are so few is that Peirce felt a need to
>> throw a "sop to Cerberus" in order to get people to take his ideas
>> seriously. I'm sure that he would gladly have written much more
>> if they were ready to listen.
>>
>> For a very important and carefully worded quotation, see CP 2.227:
>> > all signs used by a "scientific" intelligence, that is to say,
>> > by an intelligence capable of learning by experience.
>>
>> That comment certainly includes all large animals. In addition
>> to explicit statements about signs, it's important to note his
>> anecdotes about dogs and parrots. He observed some remarkable
>> performances, which implied "scientific intelligence". Although
>> he didn't say so explicitly, he wouldn't have made the effort
>> to write those anecdotes if he didn't think so.
>>
>> Since Peirce talked about "crystals and bees" in CP 4.551, he must
>> have been thinking about the continuity to zoosemiosis, and from that
>> to the intermediate stages of phytosemiosis, biosemiosis by microbes,
>> crystal formation, and eventually to all of chemistry and physics.
>> He would have been delighted to learn about the signs called DNA
>> and the semiosis that interprets those signs in all aspects of life.
>>
>> Many people have observed strong similarities with Whitehead's
>> process philosophy. ANW also had a continuity of mind-like things
>> from the lowest levels to something he called God. He wrote most
>> of his philosophical books at Harvard, and he also wrote some
>> sympathetic words about Peirce. He admitted that he hadn't read
>> much of Peirce's work, but Clarence Irving Lewis, the chairman of
>> the philosophy dept. at that time, had studied Peirce's MSS in
>> great detail. And Whitehead was also the thesis advisor for the
>> two graduate students, Hartshorne and Weiss, who edited the CP.
>> ANW must have absorbed much more than he cited in his references.
>>
>> We should also remember that there are thousands of pages of MSS
>> that have not yet been transcribed and studied. Nobody knows how
>> much more might be discovered about all these issues. But the
>> fragments that do exist show that he had intended much more.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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