Dear John list,


Who, then, studies the real goal?



Best,

Jerry R


On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:16 PM, John F Sowa <[email protected]> wrote:

> Helmut, Auke, and Jerry,
>
> HR
>
>> what does "normative" mean?
>>
>
> Note what Auke said:
>
>> Don’t confuse mathematical logic with normative logic.
>>
>
> See the attached cspsci.gif, which shows Peirce's classification
> of the sciences.  Note that the word 'logic' appears in two places:
>
>  1. On the left, formal logic is a branch of pure mathematics.
>     In that sense, it is treated as pure theory that is independent
>     of any application to any subject for any purpose.  It doesn't
>     make any value judgments about the two truth values {T,F}.
>
>  2. In the middle, logic is used as a normative science to
>     determine how people should reason in order to distinguish
>     truth from falsity.
>
> JLRC
>
>> For normative science in general being the science of the laws of
>>> conformity of things to ends, esthetics considers those things whose
>>> ends are to embody qualities of feeling, ethics those things whose
>>> ends lie in action, and logic those things whose end is to represent
>>> something. (CP 5.121-124&129, EP 2:196-197&200; 1903)
>>>
>>
>> This is, perhaps, the most remarkable characterization of logic
>> I have ever read!
>>
>
> It would be unusual as a definition of a formal logic.  But Peirce
> was discussing normative logic as a subject that depends on ethics
> and esthetics to make value judgments about truth and falsity.
>
> HR
>
>> what is the separating difference between "relation to ends"
>> and "reality"
>>
>
> The word 'ends' is ambiguous.  In this use, Peirce is not talking
> about a spatial end point, but as the final goal or purpose of
> some action.  For a modern audience, it would be better to use
> the word 'goal' or 'purpose'.
>
> Re: The distinction of "relation to ends" and "reality":
>
> The natural sciences study reality (what there is).
> The normative sciences study goals (what should be).
>
> John
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