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John, list
1] ET
> There is absolutely nothing in my outline that can't be found in
Peirce.
JOHN: I sympathize with ET on this point. But I'd like to see any
such
outline, diagram, text, or harmonization posted online. It should
be possible to cite the URL rather than some email note from months
or even years ago.
EDWINA I'm not sure what you, John, mean by the above.
By 'outline' I refer to the semiosic process of DO-IO-R-II-DI-FI -
and I'm not going to provide Peircean quotes on this since it's
extensively found in Peirce. Same thing with the categories of
Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness - and their genuine and
degenerate forms of: 1-1; 2-2; 2-1; 3-3; 3-2; 3-1.
These modes are extensively outlined in Peirce and I don't see the
point of yet again, providing quotations.
2] ET
> What is needed, in my view, is to move one's use of Peirce beyond
> academic discussions of his specific terminology and text - and
see
> how his actual analysis applies to the real world and how it can
> explain the functional operations of this real world.
JOHN: I very strongly agree. My major frustration with Peirce's
writings
is the limited number of examples. The few examples he stated --
the word 'the' as an example of a token -- have been quoted and
requoted far too much. We desperately need many, many more
examples.
EDWINA Right - my point is that, if one takes the semiosic process
and the categories as a basic infrastructure, then, you can use this
framework to productively analyze what is going on in the real world.
I have posted various examples of research being done in the
biological sciences - dealing with anticipation [strong and weak],
adaptive actions, dissipation, extinction, emergence of novel
properties, speciation etc - which can all be examined within this
framework - even if one uses different terms.
The same can be done, I will argue, for societies, understanding
populations as dynamic CAS [complex adaptive systems]..and these too,
can be productively analyzed within the Peircean framework. Same with
languages -
However - I get the sense that members of this list aren't
interested in 'examples', in putting the Peircean analytic framework
into the real world and seeing how it explains what is going on.
Edwina
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