Re: Peirce’s Categories • 15
At: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/05/01/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-15/
Peirce List,
“In These Uncertain Times” — ITUT is apparently the rubric du jour —
it's become even harder to concentrate than usual and I keep losing
track of tricky points coming up in discussion which really cry out
for further discussion but then “human voices wake us, and we drown”
or something ... So let me go back to that list of loose ends I put
together at the first of the month and try to address a few of them.
Here is one juncture deserving of another look:
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00024.html
JA: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00026.html
HR: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00027.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00028.html
JAS: Every proposition is collective and copulative; as I stated in a recent post, its dynamical object is “the entire
universe” (CP 5.448n, EP 2:394, 1906), which is “the totality of all real objects” (CP 5.152, EP 2:209, 1903), while its
immediate object is “the logical universe of discourse” (CP 2.323, EP 2:283, 1903).
This was a very important point, not the least because it supplied a critical piece of a puzzle John Corcoran had been
raising on Facebook as to whether the logical universes of Peirce, or logicians in general, were conceived as referring
to something like a holistic totality of existence or only a more limited universe of discourse relevant to a particular
discussion. I thought that was significant enough to blog on it here:
Cf: Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • 9
At:
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/04/12/semiotics-semiosis-sign-relations-%e2%80%a2-9/
JA: Incidentally ... lack of care in distinguishing different objects of the same signs, in particular, immediate and
ultimate objects and their corresponding universes or object domains, has been the source of many misunderstandings in
scattered discussions on Facebook of late.
But then I added:
JA: Another issue arising here has to do with the difference between the “dimensionality of a relation” and the “number
of correlates”. Signs may have any number of correlates in the object domain without requiring the dimensionality of
the relevant sign relation to be greater than three. This is one of the consequences of “triadic relation irreducibility”.
And that raised a number of further replies from HR and objections from JAS ...
which I'll say more about when I get another chance.
Regards,
Jon
On 5/1/2020 1:08 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
Robert, Jon A S, Gary F, Helmut, Peircers ...
There were numerous issues stemming from Robert's post and paper,
some central and some tangential, which attracted my interest and
which I hope I can get back to. Seeing as how some of the earliest
issues got a little lost in the flood of discussion that followed
I thought I would take a moment to record a couple of threads for
future following up.
Subthread 1
RM: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00020.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00023.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00024.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00025.html
JA: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00026.html
HR: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00027.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00028.html
HR: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00031.html
HR: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00032.html
JAS: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00035.html
Subthread 2
JA: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00046.html
RM: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00047.html
JA: https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00048.html
I made a start at rehashing some of these questions on my blog:
Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • 9
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/04/12/semiotics-semiosis-sign-relations-%e2%80%a2-9/
Peirce’s Categories • 13 • 14
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/04/15/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-13/
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/04/16/peirces-categories-%e2%80%a2-14/
Readings On Determination • Discussion 4
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/04/29/readings-on-determination-%e2%80%a2-discussion-4/
If I get inspiration and time enough, I may try to
organize the issues and further comment on my blog.
Regards,
Jon
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