Robert, List, I think that Peirce's classification, quoted in your post below, is absolutely accurate (and I'm firmly within the sociological axis). I would say, though, that just as Peirce considered people to be practicing phaneroscopy (artists and so on) even when they were unaware of it, it is also highly possible (or in fact, probable) that people practice mathematics in all walks life without ever referring to it (to themselves) as mathematics. The vast majority of theory which deals with abstract forms (without reference to "real" conditions of existence) is mathematical (in the sense Peirce ascribes to it). And so, I think the problem is one of personal positioning and self-understanding rather than practice itself - which, in agreement with Peirce, I think we all do more or less in common form.
Best Jack ________________________________ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> on behalf of robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:59 AM To: Margaretha Hendrickx <mahe3...@gmail.com> Cc: tabor...@primus.ca <tabor...@primus.ca>; Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>; Gary Fuhrman <g...@gnusystems.ca> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c *Warning* This email originated from outside of Maynooth University's Mail System. Do not reply, click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Dear Margaretha, Your conception of attitude is in interpersonal relations, very psychological. But it is not about that... it is about epistemology ... Here is for example a very vertical "epistemological attitude" of Peirce : ""Every systematic philosopher must provide himself a classification of the sciences. Comte first proposed to arrange the sciences in a series of steps, each leading another. This general idea may be adopted, and we may adapt our phraseology to the image of the well of truth with flights of stairs leading down into it: We divide the whole into three great parts: - mathematics, the study of ideal constructions without reference to their real existence, - empirics, the study of phenomena with the purpose of identifying their forms with those mathematics has studied, - pragmatics, the study of how we ought to behave in the light of the truths of empirics." (C.S. Peirce, MS 1345, undated, transcription 1976: NEM, vol III.2 1122)" And now try to get a horizontal comment on Peirce-L (on the sociological axis) that takes into account this question of identification of forms ... and if you are answered "OK" then ask where and when your interlocutors tried to give content to their agreement "in the flights of stairs within of well of truth" NB: this classification of sciences is the simplest he provided ... but the most detailed ones are consistent with this matrix. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty> https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ Le sam. 16 oct. 2021 à 18:51, Margaretha Hendrickx <mahe3...@gmail.com<mailto:mahe3...@gmail.com>> a écrit : What about taking this conversation off list, as in literally off list? For example, to a Skype or ZOOM session that we treat as a drink/juice-in-a-bar happening where no one is allowed to talk about serious stuff for the first half hour? Something like an international Peirce Meet 'n Greet? Or who knows? Some list members may be living in driving distance from one another. I live in Ithaca, NY, USA. What I am trying to say is that it does not make sense to slice and dice Peirce. A lot can be learned from engaging in non-judgmental listening; that is, thinking without a judgmental sucking-up/talking-down attitude (spatial metaphor). Face-to-face interaction makes it easier to switch into a horizontal attitude (spatial metaphor). On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 12:33 PM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca<mailto:tabor...@primus.ca>> wrote: Exactly!! That's the spirit! And it shows, clearly, how different subject matters are treated on this list. Edwina On Sat 16/10/21 12:23 PM , g...@gnusystems.ca<mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca> sent: I think it could be helpful for the group that has been complaining about the subject matter of postings on this list to create a new one that would be more to their liking. At least we (subscribers to peirce-l) wouldn’t have to read all those complaints any more. Gary f. } Truth is truth, whether it is opposed to the interests of society to admit it or not. [Peirce, CP 8.143, EP2:61] { https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu<mailto:peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> On Behalf Of Margaretha Hendrickx Sent: 16-Oct-21 11:22 To: s...@bestweb.net<mailto:s...@bestweb.net> Cc: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Should we start a new email list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c List, I think it is absurd to start a separate mailing list. Especially since its purpose would be to use Peirce's work as a mirror to see what is going on in society today. If people feel perturbed or unvalidated after reading the emails distributed by this list, well, have you ever had a discussion about the possibility that this has to do more with what is going on in society today and that one's feelings about society are being projected on the emails distributed by this list? My very best, Margaretha H. PS. I also find it unreasonable to expect people to reply to list emails within 24-48 hrs. I cannot operate in that way. I am juggling many other balls. There are many interesting emails on this list, but I am simply not in the right place to reply to them immediately. I hope to reply to them in the future once my schedule is less hectic. The reason I replied to this email immediately before other ones, well, it caught my attention and it kept on bothering me. Its divisive rhetoric mirrors the divisive rhetoric in society at large. Let me end with a question. Popper is known for warning against the manipulative use of language and logic. Did Peirce do something similar? If my question shows a lack of understanding of Peirce's work, I apologize. I am still in the learning stages. On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 6:02 PM sowa @bestweb.net<http://bestweb.net> <s...@bestweb.net> wrote: List, On Thursday, I sent the note below to Peirce-L. I received some strong positive comments and suggestions offline, but complete silence from the people who send most of the notes to Peirce-L. For example: "As for the natural extensions of Peirce's thought, even when they agree closely with his principles, they are rejected [on Peirce-L] as post-Peircean" I interpret those responses as evidence that we need n email list that is dedicated to the kinds of topics that dominated the Peirce Centennial Congress in 2014. That was a very exciting conference on research that builds on Peirce's work and relates it to developments in the century after Peirce. As Peirce frequently emphasized, the meaning of any sign is its implications for action in the future. We live in Peirce's future, and our actions today depend critically on the developments in the century after Peirce. I don't believe that we should reject Peirce-l, but we should have another email list that relates Peirce's ideas to the issues of today. I would encourage subscribers to Peirce-L to participate in both lists. I'll send another note tomorrow.. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu<mailto:peirce-L@list.iupui.edu> . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu<mailto:l...@list.iupui.edu> with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. 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