You’ll have to read your way through the literature. D
> On Apr 19, 2023, at 2:27 PM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dan, List, > > First i apologize for posting unrelated in the main thread. > > I appreciate your argument and find it a great insight. Now, is this a > refutation of Chomsky´s theory or not? A computer program perhaps does not > need such a module, because it can research and develop language from > universal (natural) logic with Peirce´s contribution to discovering it > included. But maybe the evolution of the brain works differently: There is no > direct, analytical reference to universal logic, I would say. Evolution is > all about viability. But of course, viability is greater if it is in accord > with universal logic. It then simply works out, while when not being in > accord, it doesn´t. But, with a direct link to logic missing, I guess for > evolution it is a good idea, to install viable, well tested routines for > modules from time to time, which are then inherited and give instructions. So > maybe humans do have a grammar module, although for a computer such a thing > is not necessary. Instead of "module" you may call it "instinct", i think, > like a bird knows how to build a nest without first logically pondering "What > should I do to have something to lay my eggs in?". So, all i wanted to > object, was, that all that is not a refutation of Chomsky´s work. That is, > unless he explicitly should have claimed, that this module/instinct is the > starting source/reference of language, and does itself not have a reference > to logic. Which would be absurd, i think. > > Best Regards > Helmut > > 19. April 2023 um 19:37 Uhr > "Dan Everett" <[email protected]> > wrote: > ChatGPT simply and conclusively shows that there is no need for any innate > learning module in the brain to learn language. Here is the paper on it that > states this best. https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/007180 > > From a Peircean perspective, it is important to realize that this works by > inference over signs. > > Dan > > On Apr 19, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dan, list, > > ok, so it is like I wrote "or it is so, that ChatGPT is somehow referred to > universal logic as well, builds its linguistic competence up from there, and > so can skip the human grammar-module". But that neither is witchcraft, nor > does it say, that there is no human-genetic grammar-module. And I too hope > with the Linguist, that we dont have to fear ChatGPT more than we have to > fear a refrigerator. > > Best > Helmut > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ��� PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply > All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . ��� To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L > but to [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of > the message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ��� PEIRCE-L is owned > by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and > Ben Udell.
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