Jon, Thank you for presenting the alignment of the Peirce's three different terminological expressions of the three interpretants so succinctly, which is also to say that I agree with you -- as opposed to that anonymous reviewer -- that the "[explicit/ effective/ destinate interpretants] ought be aligned with the others" since, as you wrote: "The terms themselves clearly imply this."
You also write that aligning them thusly "is also consistent with the principle that the genuine correlate (destinate/final) determines the degenerate correlate (effective/dynamical), which determines the doubly degenerate correlate (explicit/immediate). . .'' So expressed, this seems to follow the i*nvolutional* vector commencing at 3ns, moving through 2ns, to 1ns. I note that you use the term 'determine' to express these relations while in thePeirce quotation above Peirce writes "involving." I also don't see -- or, perhaps, don't yet understand -- why you write that the three interpretants "are not a trichotomy for sign classification." Why not? It seems to me that immediate/dynamical/final are aligned with 1ns/2ns/3ns. Granted the three interpretants "constitute a trichotomy in the specific sense defined by Peirce," but the "genuine thirdness" of the final interpretant followed by the two genera of degeneracy seem to me marked categorially: dynamic/"reactional" (2ns) and immediate/"qualitative"1ns) as are all the other elements in Peirce's classification as I read it. So why exclude the three interpretants from Peirce's classification of signs as they seem to be a categorial subdivision of an essential sign element, viz., the interpretant? Best, Gary R On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 8:49 AM Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> wrote: > List: > > For the record (again), although the three interpretants are not a > trichotomy for sign classification, they do constitute a trichotomy in the > specific sense defined by Peirce as follows. > > CSP: Taking any class in whose essential idea the predominant element is > Thirdness, or Representation, the self-development of that essential idea > ... results in a *trichotomy *giving rise to three subclasses, or genera, > involving respectively a relatively genuine thirdness, a relatively > reactional thirdness or thirdness of the lesser degree of degeneracy, and a > relatively qualitative thirdness or thirdness of the last degeneracy. (CP > 5.72, EP 2:162, 1903) > > > Final interpretants as effects that signs *ideally would* produce are > relatively genuine, dynamical interpretants as effects that signs *actually > do* produce are relatively reactional (degenerate), and immediate > interpretants as effects that signs *possibly could* produce are > relatively qualitative (doubly degenerate). > > I initially addressed the explicit/effective/destinate interpretants at > greater length in my *Semiotica *paper, but an anonymous reviewer > adamantly rejected my argument for aligning them with > immediate/dynamical/final. The terms themselves clearly imply this, and it > is also consistent with the principle that the genuine correlate > (destinate/final) determines the degenerate correlate > (effective/dynamical), which determines the doubly degenerate correlate > (explicit/immediate)--a logical ordering, not a temporal sequence. > Nevertheless, I ultimately opted to leave out that entire section and only > provide note 3 instead of continuing to debate the matter, especially since > it was not directly relevant to my central thesis--the alignment of > emotional/energetic/logical with immediate/dynamical/final. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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