On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:01 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
List, I think, we can prescind discreteness from continuity, e.g. by
supposing the formation of attractors, or coagulation, or reentry
(logical or actual loops), but we cannot prescind continuity from
discreteness. So everything including thirdness is at first based on
continuity, even if it requires discreteness. I think, that thirdness
requires discreteness, because a relation as part of structure, and a
habit too, can and has to be prescinded (or discriminated, or
dissociated) as something discrete from continuity, to logically
handle it.
Best, Helmut
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*Von:* "Edwina Taborsky" <tabor...@primus.ca>
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*Betreff:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's
Ongoing Semiotic Project)
List- I don’t see synergism as equivalent to Thirdness, for
Thirdness is the establishment of habits, ie, habitual ‘modes of
being’ - which habits are established by and within the universe in
conjunction with the modes of both Firstness and Secondness. .
Instead, synergism, or continuity, seems to me, more akin to the
concept of free energy…the genuinely general, so to speak - and this
free energy is the basis of our universe> “Continuity is nothing but
perfect generality of a law of relationship” 6.170. See also his
outline of ’The Logic of th Universe 6.189, where, again, continuity
is understood as ‘generality’. This is not the same as the general
_*laws *_of Thirdness which are generated within and by the universe
for the maintenance of its reality as material exiistentiality.
As he writes, the universe, made up of Secondness or discrete
entities, began ‘in the utter vagueness of completely undetermined
and dimensionless potentiality” 6.193. This, to me, is not
Thirdness. It is free energy. ..which I see as continuity/synechism.
Jerry- I’m sorry, but you’ve lost me - I’ve no idea what you are
referring to .
Edwina
Again, my understanding of this is that
On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt
<jonalanschm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike:
I do not know what you mean by "penultimate" in this context. As
I have said on the List many times before, as well as in my
published work, my understanding of synechism as applied in
metaphysics is that the entire universe is an inexhaustible
continuum (3ns) of indefinite possibilities (1ns), some of which
are actualized (2ns). Again, discrete things and their dyadic
reactions, as well as monadic qualities and their inherence in
discrete things, are degenerate outcomes of continuous and
triadic semiosis.
Regards,
Jon
On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 5:15 PM Mike Bergman <m...@mkbergman.com>
wrote:
Hi Jon,
To quibble, I see synechism and its great definer of
continuity as the guiding principle of Thirdness (as I think
Peirce did, too). It can't be elevated to the penultimate,
because our operative world also requires the discrete and
discontinuous. (Enter 2nd law of thermodynamics stage left.)
Best, Mike
On 2/11/2024 5:03 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
Mike:
I am glad that we agree on that point. I also agree that
it is a mistake to treat semiosis as the most fundamental
aspect of Peirce's philosophy, and that his three
universal categories--firmly grounded in both the
hypothetical science of mathematics and the primal
positive science of phaneroscopy--are even more central,
especially as an organizing principle.
However, Peirce's preference to call his overall system
of thought /synechism /suggests that he regarded
"continuity as an idea of prime importance in philosophy"
(CP 6.103, EP 1:313, 1892)--especially since he also
stated, "I carry the doctrine so far as to maintain that
continuity governs the whole domain of experience in
every element of it" (CP 7.566, EP 2:1, 1893). This has
implications for semiosis as I have already outlined, as
well as the categories--1ns is prescinded from 2ns and
3ns, and 2ns is prescinded from 3ns; but 2ns cannot be
built up from 1ns, and 3ns cannot be built up from 1ns
and 2ns.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran
Christian
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On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Bergman
<m...@mkbergman.com> wrote:
Hi Jon,
Here is a point with which I have vehement agreement
with you (dare I say I suspect Edwina does as well):
What I /can /say is that I obviously disagree
with anyone who confines semiosis to the
biological realm, since I maintain with Peirce
that the entire universe is "a vast
representamen" that is "perfused with signs, if
it is not composed exclusively of signs."
Further keys to this assertion are found in Peirce's
writings on evolution, emergence, cosmogony, and his
anticipation of the quantum vs the classical. These
are a focus of my current studies.
One of the bones I have to pick with many scholars of
semiosis is their too literal restriction to human
signs and perhaps even elevating semiosis as a
Peircean thesis first among others. I have found the
universal categories to be a more robust grounding to
generalize to the entirety of Nature and its
manifestations.
Best, Mike
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