Sally, Jerry, Peircers,

There is some discussion of disciplinary "silos" in the following paper:

Initial conference version, available at Arisbe:

Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (September 1999), "Organizations of Learning or 
Learning Organizations:
The Challenge of Creating Integrative Universities for the Next Century", 
Second International Conference
of the Journal Organization , Re-Organizing Knowledge, Trans-Forming 
Institutions: Knowing, Knowledge, and the
University in the 21st Century, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA.

• http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/awbrey/integrat.htm

Revised journal version:

Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (May 2001), "Conceptual Barriers to Creating 
Integrative Universities",
Organization: The Interdisciplinary Journal of Organization, Theory, and 
Society 8(2), Sage Publications,
London, UK, pp. 269–284.

• http://org.sagepub.com/content/8/2/269.abstract

Jon

Sally Ness wrote:
Dear Jerry, List,

Thanks much for your comments and for contributing the "Friends of Wisdom" post (which I do not replicate here because my last attempt to post this email to the list was reject due to an "attachment of type 'IMAGE/PNG' that I believe that post may have contained). I hope you will elaborate further on its relevance to the discussion as we progress.

I'm glad to see you introduce the term,"silo." This is a concept that is getting a lot of play in the social sciences currently (and more broadly as well) in describing how communication breaks down between communities and comparable groups of various kinds. JR might well have invoked it had he been writing on this topic today. JR's distinction between academic disciplines (definitely silo-like) and scientific communities (possibly tending toward silo-free? or silo-like in a good way?) is a very interesting one and not without its own difficulties, both empirical and theoretical. I intend to bring this up in a later post, and I hope we can work through it in more detail then.

Regarding your question concerning my phrase, "home discipline," I don't know where I first heard it, but I can't imagine that I was the one who coined it. I have been affiliated with several interdisciplinary programs over the last twenty-odd years. Whenever introductions are made, we typically name our "home departments" as one means of identification. "Home discipline" is an extension of that strategy, at least in my usage.

While I do not share your sense of despair (at least not today--we'll see what tomorrow brings) regarding the future of cross-disciplinary communication and the cultivation of cross-disciplinary communities, I certainly do appreciate the intense and daunting challenges posed by these endeavors, which in my experience are typically underestimated by those who engage in them (not to mention those in positions of authority who often dictate them from above). I hope those of us who have committed to the slow read of this particular paper will prove exceptions to this tendency--it does help to be deliberately pragmatic when undertaking this kind of communication.

In many years of working across disciplines with colleagues holding the best possible intentions, I've often been struck by how often members of a given discipline seem oblivious to the specificity of their own disciplinary purposes and to the ways of communicating that follow from them. JR brings this tendency to light in this paper in his discussion of scientific norms. It is definitely on the agenda for a future post. What he does not do in this paper, but which Gary R., fortunately, has done for us, is to draw a necessary relationship between this kind of communicational predicament, its transcendence or successful resolution (or outgrowth, perhaps), and the virtue of humility. This would seem to be a key relation worth examining more closely, when we reach this section of the paper. To my mind, it might even be understood as distinctively Peircean on more than one level--however, I will try to hold that thought until we get further into the slow read.

Your questions lead me to wonder if Peirce wrote anything much directly focused on the concept of "discipline," either as it relates to academic disciplines, or as it might relate more generally speaking to science and to scientific methods. It might be very helpful in relation to JR's paper to have some citations from Peirce on this concept, if anyone on the list happens to know of any or is working on closely related concepts.

Thanks again,
Sally

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