Claudio, List ... I realize that many of us have been through these sorts of discussions many times before, so let me just highlight what I consider to be some of the most important points.
1. We must not confuse the roles in a sign relation or the components of a sign relational 3-tuple, that is, Object, Sign, Interpretant, with the Peircean categories of Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness. These two sets of concepts reside at very different logical levels, as one can tell from the fact that Peirce described his Categories as "Predicaments", that is, predicates of predicates. Cf. http://mywikibiz.com/Charles_Sanders_Peirce#Theory_of_categories Sorry, I have to break here ... Jon CG = Claudio Guerri CG: I apologize for not having participated in slow reading yet... I have a very 'heavy' year... but just by chance I have read Jon's post... CG: Of course, I agree on the need of collecting data, but since we are in Semiotics, and in a Peirce List, I consider more important to organize data in an explicit, logic, and relational way. CG: The double entry, three column, data table is of course a good way of presenting it, and there is already a long experience on that devise called: the Semiotic Nonagon (I have written already about this subject on this List, I have to admit... with very low success). But the order of the columns and rows should not be changed from the logical sequence of 1ness, 2ness, and 3ness or we will lose the logical relation of the parts. CG: Of course, Peirce was not fond of that idea... or he would have draw that table himself, since he worked out the 10 classes 'triangle' and worked on existential graphs. The construction of a 9 square grid means a 'flattening' of Peirce's very complex philosophical proposal... but also, the possibility of a practical use of the very fruitful Peircean semiotic proposal. CG: I don't know if the SN that follows can be seen, but something SIMILAR was already shown by different scholars, beginning by Max Bense in the 60's, but with a very wrong idea, that is: to show the 9 aspects of the sign in 'some graphical order'... If the purpose is limited to this intention, it is a severe distortion of Peirce's philosophical proposal, that should probably been represented in an hiperspatial diagram... but then, very difficult or impossible for practical use. <...> -- facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache inquiry list: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ mwb: http://www.mywikibiz.com/Directory:Jon_Awbrey knol profile: http://knol.google.com/k/Jon-Awbrey# oeiswiki: http://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey polmic: www.policymic.com/profiles/1110/Jon-Awbrey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
