Stephen, Steven, and All ...

Well, I feel like I've made my share of Old College (Big Ten) Tries since the 
early 70s,
and I keep trying to think of ways to get the basics across that don't just 
repeat all
the fumbles of the last dozen years -- those of you who spent any time on the 
SUO List,
or the various other complexity, cybernetics, ontology, semantic web, etc. 
lists, not
to mention Wikipedia, please, will probably have a taste of what I'm talking 
about --
but there may be only a finite number of ways to enumerate the elements, and so 
some
repetition will be unavoidable.

Jon

Stephen C. Rose wrote:
I think one key to this is to create arguments that are comprehensible to
people like me.  I do not mean that they should not be mathematical, etc.,
only that they be applicable generally, universally. I am a case study in
mathematical inability, vastly more the case than anything you can imagine.
But my grasp of the triadic is just as tangibe as if I could understand
Fermat or whoever. Triadic thinking is culturally and intellectually
relevant to everything there is. We need to find more ways of buttressing
the philosophical salience of triadic thinking. Regards, S

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Steven Ericsson-Zenith <[email protected]>wrote:

Dear Jon,

I do understand the frustration, but I am hopeful that I may yet change
things.

This is one of at least two presentations that I will be making during my
visit to Europe. [GA] I am open to other invitations in Europe while I am
traveling [/GA] :-)

The second presentation (though it is first chronologically) will be at
the Isaac Newton Institute event "The Incomputable," a week earlier.
Reading through the abstracts I think you will find one or two fellow
travelers. My own contribution has just been revised in the light of this
CiE presentation, see:

       Computing With Structure
       http://iase.info/computing-with-structure

Obviously, I am hoping that the combination of the two presentations may
stir things up. If I can convincingly show the potential to build machines
and inform biophysics with the model then we start to get somewhere.

We need cheerleaders for the cause ... :-)

With respect,
Steven


--
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       Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
       http://iase.info


On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:

Steven,

Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
to the general lack of attention.  Most notable among those themes
is no doubt the irreducibility of triadic relations, a formal fact
that flies in the face of naive reductionism and nominal thinking,
no matter how often the fashion in philosophy will resort to them.
Then again, having exhausted several decades trying to get these
basic facts across, what can I do but repeat what you recited?

| The criticism which I make on that algebra of dyadic relations …
| is that the very triadic relations which it does not recognize
| it does itself employ.  For every combination of relatives to
| make a new relative is a triadic relation irreducible to
| dyadic relations.
|
| Charles Sanders Peirce, Letter to Victoria Welby, October, 1904

Steven Ericsson-Zenith wrote:
Dear List,
I am giving a presentation at CiE 2012 in Cambridge (England) in June
that may interest list members:  Conceptions Of Locality In Logic And
Computation, A History
http://iase.info/conceptions-of-locality-in-logic-and-computat
Your review welcome. With respect,
Steven
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     Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering
     http://iase.info

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