Frances to Wilfred Berendsen...

These signs are of recurring interest to me also, and several past
messages dealing with them by experts are in the list archive. Any
replies to you will hence be followed with enthusiasm. My present
access to the writings of Peirce is limited, but other writers who
refer to these signs might indeed be found in further sources. My
thought here turns for example to books by Alfred Ayer, James
Feiblemen, Thomas Goudge, Benjamin Lee, Winfried Noth, David Savan,
and Thomas Sebeok who all mention and discuss these Peircean signs to
varying degrees, if this is what you are after.

One initial point is that in a strict categorization the correct
ordering of these signs is as qualisigns and sinsigns and legisigns.
They are also seemingly not only subjective notions stirred in mind,
but are deemed objective logical constructs that are found or
discovered to exist in the ontic arena of the world, which can then of
course be used to evoke mental notions.

My understanding is that these signs are of immediate objects, and
might further be best called iconic subsigns. To be categorically
consistent, these signs in my opinion might be held to have
subordinate subclasses that fall under them, so that qualisigns would
perhaps have tones, while sinsigns would perhaps have tokens and
replicas, yet legisigns would perhaps have types and something like
codes and semes. There is a tendency however for some interpreters of
Peirce to claim that tones and tokens and types are either mere
alternate synonyms for qualisigns and sinsigns and legisigns, or are a
broader class of signs in semiosis that goes to making the ideal seem
real to sense.

The subsequent dynamic objects of signs or the main "proper" signs of
semiosis as generated by immediate interpretants would then be called
icons and indexes and symbols.

My tentative reading of the Peircean literature also leads me to
understand that the signs or iconic subsigns of preceding immediate
representamen are perhaps called potisigns and actisigns and famsigns.
The allocation of this fundamental trident or class of signs in such a
way is however not fully clear to me, as they are often suggested by
many scholars to be mere early substitutes for qualisigns and sinsigns
and famsigns. This explanation would seem to be unlikely though, since
they are after all listed by Peirce as a separate class of signs.

The issue of determinate objects and degenerate signs might also be of
some importance in regard to the subsigns or subclasses of semiotic
immediacy.


Wilfred wrote...
Currently I am very interested in the notions of sinsign, legisign and
qualisign. I know there have been discussions about this before, with
phrases out of texts from CS Peirce defining these terms. What I
however would like to know, is in what texts (preferably from the
essential peirce 1&2 since I have these) from Peirce and also in what
texts of other scientists explaining his notions, it is best explained
what these notions are all about. I am looking for texts or
combinations of texts  where these notions are explained as complete
as possible.



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