I wrote: >One point the fellow [from the CA state legislature] made, BTW, 
was that the situation was made worse by the California commitment to avoid 
blackouts at any cost. In the face of this declaration of inelastic demand, 
the power companies are more than willing to charge any cost...<

David Shemano wrote:
 > You say that demand is inelastic and the power companies can charge whatever
 > they want.  Well, how can you say that, as an empirical matter, when retail
 > prices haven't risen?

Because the restructuring fixed retail prices to allow PG&E, SCE, and, 
until recently, San Diego Electric (or whatever it's called) to "recover" 
the costs of their wasted investment in nukes. (It's part of the American 
Way that those with political power should have their losses covered by the 
state. Little did anyone know that the price floor would become a price 
ceiling, so the distribution companies would start complaining about what 
had been a boon to them.) The price I was referring to (and I'm sorry I 
wasn't clearer) was the price that the California state government pays in 
its effort to make sure that power is available to consumers in the face of 
the bankrupt or un-credit-worthy power distributors, which were having a 
hard time buying power from the wholesalers (the real villains in this 
piece). And retail prices have risen in San Diego, as they have for natural 
gas.

 >Epistemologically, how can you know?

it's true that a lot of the whole restructuring -- so-called "deregulation" 
-- made the entire operation of the CA electrical market opaque to folks 
like us. That's one reason why the utilities were able to "game" the state 
and to rip off tremendous amounts of money from California. How do I know? 
I was just reporting what the economist/lawyer (and expert on bankruptcy) 
from the state legislature was saying. I actually wasn't reporting anything 
that I know, since I'm far from an expert on this subject. But I'll try to 
give a tentative answer. I hope that any experts -- Gene Coyle? -- will 
correct me.

 >Aren't you  saying that conservation is impossible?

I don't understand where this question comes from. California has been 
conserving. (California is very efficient in terms of energy use per 
capita.) It will do so. But what I was saying was it sure looks to me as if 
the problem isn't actual scarcity of energy or actual overuse of energy as 
much as the totally uncompetitive market for energy, which the energy 
companies created and took advantage of, with the aid of FERC (the 
Federales, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission) and the CA state 
government. BTW, until very recently, the energy companies were part of the 
leadership of the organizations which were supposed to be helping the 
consumer. So the foxes were guarding the hen-house. As happens so often, 
Big Government is harnessed by Big Business to rip off the public.

I guess what you are asking is: why can't people in California simply cut 
back on the quantity of electricity they use (to "conserve"), in response 
to the price signals (the substitution effect)? This seems to be the wrong 
question: the price to Californians (either at the retail level or to the 
state government) is much higher than the cost of producing the damn stuff. 
The energy producers should be forced to conserve on their profit winnings 
(through lower, fixed prices at the wholesale level) rather than forcing 
the consumers -- who did not create this problem and are thus not to blame 
-- to radically restructure their lives. I don't think price controls are a 
long-term solution, but in a case where the producers are earning 
dramatically high monopoly rents, they make sense in the short run. Of 
course, the FERC won't go that way, what with President Clinton in 
office.... or for that matter, with President Bush.

BTW, I think that Krugman may be right that there isn't really an energy 
crisis (though of course it depends on how you define "crisis"). I don't 
think that the long-run problem is that "we're running out of energy" 
(since there are lots of new sources and new ways to use old sources more 
efficiently) as much as "we're polluting this planet to death" (the 
externality problem, or what libertarians call "neighborhood effects" -- 
big neighborhood!) In the short run, the problem is that the energy 
companies (or at least most of them) are taking advantage to grab as much 
as they can. Of course, the Cheney gang -- part of the same power bloc -- 
is using this "crisis" to undermine environmental restrictions (making the 
_real_ long-term problem worse) and to help their friends get their hearts' 
desires. Interestingly, all this encouragement of the supply side could 
eventually spur _over production_. Then the President will be going on TV 
to tell us to waste more energy ... or more likely will be bailing the 
energy corporations out with taxpayer dollars. (The big bucks being earned 
now will largely have been shifted elsewhere, as part of diversified 
portfolios and new ventures ... including new efforts to use government 
power to rip off consumers and workers... so they won't available to allow 
the energy companies to bail themselves out.)

But return to the issue of higher energy prices, something that is 
happening soon. Because it's quite costly to cut back on energy use, it's 
likely that if the powers that be were to simply let the prices rise, it 
wouldn't encourage substitution or conservation as much as _income_ 
effects: people will deal with the higher prices by cutting back on dinners 
at restaurants, videotape rentals, visits to Disneyland, new cars, dental 
check-ups for the kids, etc. To feed the greed of the energy producers, 
they'd cut back on other elements of their budgets, especially those 
discretionary items. People are already doing so, in my experience, but it 
would intensify, encouraging a regional recession and a falling-off of 
state tax revenues. Of course, some or many would end up homeless, because 
they have expenses -- such as rent -- that can't simply be cut back. 
There's going to be a lot of hardship, and it's not because people were 
over-spending on energy, but because the energy corporations have "gamed" 
the market. There's also another effect: the higher prices may lead to a 
lot of political discontent, aimed not only at Sacramento but also against 
the energy companies.

Given the discussion I heard on Friday, it seems like the solution will be 
akin to what's available across La Cienega Blvd. from where I live: in Los 
Angeles, unlike in Culver City, they have publicly-owned power which has 
not been exploited by the energy companies. It's inexpensive compared to 
that offered by the private sector, without being wasteful. Of course, the 
move toward municipalization of power -- something that's already happening 
-- may shock the energy companies to start being a little more sane in 
their greed. This may be the actual solution to the "energy crisis" in 
California. (For those who don't like that, most Californians are looking 
back with nostalgia to the "good old days" when the Public Utilities 
Commission fixed prices relative to cost -- to guarantee a "fair" profit. 
It wasn't perfect -- among other things it encouraged the building of all 
those nukes -- but at least it worked better than the "solution" that those 
who dress their greed in "free market" rhetoric foisted on the state.)

 > How about a comparison of electricity and gasoline.  Gasoline retail prices
 > are unregulated and have doubled over the past one-two years from
 > approximately $1.00/gallon to $2.00/gallon.  There are no shortages, no gas
 > lines -- just the usual grumblings about conspiracies that will disappear
 > when the price goes back down in several months.

Shortages are not the issue (though as I said, if the state were to allow 
shortages, it makes demand less inelastic). Shortages are just another cost 
of rationing, just like high prices. Waiting in line for gas (as in the 
mid-1970s) is simply a different way of rationing items in short supply. Of 
course, it's not one that favors those with lots of money like rationing 
with prices is. In any event, the problem is that the energy corporations 
have created a situation where we see either high prices or big shortages. 
But of course, the _actual_ result has not been high prices (so far) or 
shortages as much as the state government wasting its budget surplus -- 
it's now officially a deficit -- to keep both consumers and the energy 
companies happy, in an effort to avoid the kind of popular discontent 
mentioned above. As the expert I heard speak noted, the using up of the 
surplus (and the increase in debt) is going to hobble the ability of the 
California to do positive good for a decade or more, adding on to the 
sabotage engineered by Governors Reagan, Wilson, et al., and by the "tax 
revolt" (which he didn't talk about). This place is turning into worse than 
Mississippi in terms of social services. And we already complain about 
illiterate students!

I'll read the AMERICAN SPECTATOR article some other time. Isn't a violation 
of the sacred rights of intellectual property to post the whole article?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

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