I agree with Jim Devine that presenting the State as the only possible 
alternative to local warlords and the most tolerable coersive apperatus 
is a dangeres position.  Furthermore, the notion that the State and 
nation can be seperated in a way that one does not coencide with the 
other represents a misregonition of the relations between State and 
nation.  The distinction between 'public' and 'private' education  
does not coencide between education that interpellates individuals as 
citizens of the State or, members of the hegemonic culture/national 
identity and, on the other hand, counterhegemonic projects.  The State 
is much more than its legal definition.  The State and nation coencide 
in terms of certain epistimic rules.  That is, the modern State and 
nationalities are necessarily tied into each other in their performative
functions of reproducing each other on the level of knowledge.  Modern
forms of knowledge are dependent upon certain epistemic rules, constituted
by nation and State, that allow for learning.  As such, the State/nation 
is an epistemic subject - it is charecterized by certain rules of dispersion 
that grounds modern forms of knowledge and their selectivity.  I have noted
six such epistemic rules that constitute the modern State and will be happy
to discuss them if other members of the list are intersted.  This is not to 
say that you cannot have a national identity without having a State, there
are various exampels of this.  It is to say that States and nationalities 
share a similar structure in their epistemic construction and that counter-
hegemonic projects must necessarily be non-nationalistic (Pierre Troudeu 
aside).  

That's it for now,

Peter Bratsis
CUNY Grad. Center

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