I'm highly influenced by being midstream in a piece I'm working on about New Zealand and what I'm putting into my conclusion. I think it's important to engage in intellectual debate, but agree with MMeeropol (aka gramps) that we stand at a watershed event. Those who have the skills to respond to the venom and evil that is being sold in this country and around the world about everything we hold dear have a responsibility not to be silent. It's so hard - the media seem closed to the Left. You have to work twice as hard - 10 times as hard to be heard - but the time is now. A major reason Kiwis bought into the New Zealand Business Roundtable's explanation of problems and agenda for change is because those who had the ability to learn the truth and counter the lies did nothing. Ellen J. Dannin California Western School of Law 225 Cedar Street San Diego, CA 92101 Phone: 619-525-1449 Fax: 619-696-9999